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They're listing most popular kits so starter sets won't be on there.

 Mymearan wrote:
Chaos space marines at 18... Can't believe that ugly old kit is still selling!

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? An ugly kit, still one of their best sellers, bringing in a good profit margin since development costs have long since been paid for. A core choice from a codex that is pretty consistently touted as one of the worst codexes in the game. So, why sink all those resources into creating a new CSM kit when the old one still makes bank?

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Chaos space marines at 18... Can't believe that ugly old kit is still selling!

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? An ugly kit, still one of their best sellers, bringing in a good profit margin since development costs have long since been paid for. A core choice from a codex that is pretty consistently touted as one of the worst codexes in the game. So, why sink all those resources into creating a new CSM kit when the old one still makes bank?

Well, they re-cut the vanilla tactical, assault, and devastator kits all fairly recently. None of those really needed it.

While the CSM might get a lot of flack, they are one of the armies in the DV starter box, and one of the iconic forces in the universe. If you just split a DV with a friend, were just starting out (so not overly concerned/aware of tournament ranking/tiers/etc) picking up another box of marines seems a good way to expand your army.

If the starter set was still orcs as the opposing force, I think CSM might not have made the list. But there is a lot of leverage from new players expanding the DV box to be had.

 Nevelon wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Chaos space marines at 18... Can't believe that ugly old kit is still selling!

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? An ugly kit, still one of their best sellers, bringing in a good profit margin since development costs have long since been paid for. A core choice from a codex that is pretty consistently touted as one of the worst codexes in the game. So, why sink all those resources into creating a new CSM kit when the old one still makes bank?

Well, they re-cut the vanilla tactical, assault, and devastator kits all fairly recently. None of those really needed it.

While the CSM might get a lot of flack, they are one of the armies in the DV starter box, and one of the iconic forces in the universe. If you just split a DV with a friend, were just starting out (so not overly concerned/aware of tournament ranking/tiers/etc) picking up another box of marines seems a good way to expand your army.

If the starter set was still orcs as the opposing force, I think CSM might not have made the list. But there is a lot of leverage from new players expanding the DV box to be had.

I think you're missing my point. I wasn't confused as to why they were on the list. When people ask why CSM still have an old plastic kit, the answer is pretty clear: why would GW go through the effort of redesigning/recutting a kit that makes them money and doesn't require Studio resources?

 Nevelon wrote:

Well, they re-cut the vanilla tactical, assault, and devastator kits all fairly recently. None of those really needed it.

While the CSM might get a lot of flack, they are one of the armies in the DV starter box, and one of the iconic forces in the universe. If you just split a DV with a friend, were just starting out (so not overly concerned/aware of tournament ranking/tiers/etc) picking up another box of marines seems a good way to expand your army.

If the starter set was still orcs as the opposing force, I think CSM might not have made the list. But there is a lot of leverage from new players expanding the DV box to be had.

I disagree on the tactical and devastator kits -- they're really popular kits, and the new sculpts are infinitely superior to the old ones. Just compare a pair of legs from 2005 with 2014; there's a world a difference. In addition, there are good game reasons too, mostly because of grav weapons. Grav cannons are a big add for Space Marines, and definitely belong in the devastator box.

The assault marines, less so, because they kind of suck in the game anyhow And, there are vanguard vets, where you can get a lot of nice jump pack parts out of. But still, it's very nice to complete the core grunts in new, post 2009 tungsten-carbide tooled plastic molds.

Frankly, I think EVERY kit pre-2009 that people actually want to buy in any volume needs to be remade

I'm going to predict the top 5.

5. AdMech Skitarii Rangers (#3)
4. Sanguinary Priest (Nope!)
3. Khorne Bloodthirster (Close on this one, but it's #7)
2. Space Marine Tactical Squad (#4)
1. Imperial Knight Titan (#2)

the_Armyman wrote:I think you're missing my point. I wasn't confused as to why they were on the list. When people ask why CSM still have an old plastic kit, the answer is pretty clear: why would GW go through the effort of redesigning/recutting a kit that makes them money and doesn't require Studio resources?

I’m sure the vanilla tac squad was high on the list before they re-did it, but I see your point.

Talys wrote:I disagree on the tactical and devastator kits -- they're really popular kits, and the new sculpts are infinitely superior to the old ones. Just compare a pair of legs from 2005 with 2014; there's a world a difference. In addition, there are good game reasons too, mostly because of grav weapons. Grav cannons are a big add for Space Marines, and definitely belong in the devastator box.

The assault marines, less so, because they kind of suck in the game anyhow And, there are vanguard vets, where you can get a lot of nice jump pack parts out of. But still, it's very nice to complete the core grunts in new, post 2009 tungsten-carbide tooled plastic molds.

Frankly, I think EVERY kit pre-2009 that people actually want to buy in any volume needs to be remade

I hear you about the old kits. I just put together a marine using legs from the old dev kit and some parts from the new BaC box. World of difference, as you say. Including new weapon options to justify selling kits is a different area then just doing kits because of age. While old, the dev box was certainly serviceable. But by adding new options, they can get old players with “finished” armies to pick up more boxes. I’d rather they revisit older kits then re-do reasonably modern ones. Particularity when the aesthetic of the army has changed.

Wow, Nagash and Starweavers sold better than Space Marine Devastators. Soooooo....

Did Space Marine Assault Squad not make the list, or did it actually do better than #18?

For 2015... I agree, the starter sets will definitely be there. Will Age of Sigmar beat out Dark Vengeance? I think so?

I think the Bloodthirster will do well. Ghostkeel, too. And of course, the usual suspects like Imperial Knight.

It's actually baffling to me that they sold nearly as many land raider crusaders as stormsurges I guess a lot more space marine players out there.

 Talys wrote:
Wow, Nagash and Starweavers sold better than Space Marine Devastators. Soooooo....

Did Space Marine Assault Squad not make the list, or did it actually do better than #18?

For 2015... I agree, the starter sets will definitely be there. Will Age of Sigmar beat out Dark Vengeance? I think so?

I think the Bloodthirster will do well. Ghostkeel, too. And of course, the usual suspects like Imperial Knight.

It's actually baffling to me that they sold nearly as many land raider crusaders as stormsurges I guess a lot more space marine players out there.

If you think about what percent of players of an army would buy a kit, anything marine is going to do well. Just more of them out there. Also, they have been selling LRCs all year long. The new Tau toys just have had a month?

The assault marine kit I think might not be on the list. I don’t see it placing well. The unit on the table is lackluster. For the same price, you can get a box of vanguard vets. The VV box is quite good. The one “new” bit to drive box sales is the evicerator. And it’s no grav gun when it comes to “must have” options. Furthermore, it lacks formations to drive sales. Sure, the demi-co has a slot for AMs, but you can swap them out for bikes, speeders, and the like. Not like Necrons and the need for tomb blades.

I think DV will outsell AoS. Partly for the time in service; it’s been on sale all year. And even though AoS is the hot new thing, I don’t think that’s enough to overcome the general panning I’ve seen for it. Could be wrong, time will tell.

If this were sales of 2014 I'd say the Imperial Knight would be close to the top, I'm not sure it's continued to sell well enough to be up in the top 5 now though.

 Nevelon wrote:

If you think about what percent of players of an army would buy a kit, anything marine is going to do well. Just more of them out there. Also, they have been selling LRCs all year long. The new Tau toys just have had a month?

DOH. You are right, of course. Stormsurge hasn't been out long

 Nevelon wrote:
I think DV will outsell AoS. Partly for the time in service; it’s been on sale all year. And even though AoS is the hot new thing, I don’t think that’s enough to overcome the general panning I’ve seen for it. Could be wrong, time will tell.

Sadly, we won't know. Scanning higher up the page, I agree that it's about miniatures (which wouldn't include box sets) :(

 Talys wrote:


Frankly, I think EVERY kit pre-2009 that people actually want to buy in any volume needs to be remade

Apart from anything else, moulds wear out and have to be replaced. When it happens, it is an opportunity to do a new tooling, even if you have the original master models and so on still available.

Some Tyranid stuff on 17 and 16!

 Bottle wrote:
If the Starter Set is allowed it will definitely be there. Probably number 2, with BaC at number 1.

I think you would be correct!


The starters and the knights should rank very highly.

 Mymearan wrote:
Some Tyranid stuff on 17 and 16!

Yeah, color me surprised!!


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I wonder if there will be any Stormcast Eternals models on that list? If so, GW will be very happy.

 Mymearan wrote:
Some Tyranid stuff on 17 and 16!

Wonder if the creaky old Carnifex kit will make the list?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Some Tyranid stuff on 17 and 16!

Wonder if the creaky old Carnifex kit will make the list?

You kidding? That's a great kit, it's just been left behind by spectacle creep.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Some Tyranid stuff on 17 and 16!

Wonder if the creaky old Carnifex kit will make the list?

You kidding? That's a great kit, it's just been left behind by spectacle creep.

Oh I'm not ragging on it, just noting it's been out a good while. One of my personal favorites. Love all the bits.

Wraithknight and Jetbikes should be top 10 - I actually got the new WK kit after ages of not getting anything!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Wraithknight and Jetbikes should be top 10 - I actually got the new WK kit after ages of not getting anything!

I agree on the bikes. (WK as well) The bikes were in a good spot mechanically, as a powerful unit in a top army. Even before they gave them all scatter lasers. I think even the old bikes might have had a spot on the list. But the new bikes are lovely. I think even without the overpowered mechanics and formation that requires 3+ boxes of them they might have had spot. Just on the merits of the models. But when you combine good models and broken rules, I think a top 10 spot is likely.

I’m less fond of the WK. But it also has a lot going for it.

15 is the Toxicrene... Honestly, who would buy this thing enough that it out sold more units than landraiders and devastators

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
15 is the Toxicrene... Honestly, who would buy this thing enough that it out sold more units than landraiders and devastators

It's a fairly decent unit that has a neat profile to it- plus it's a huge bug so it hits all the right spots for Tyranid players.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
15 is the Toxicrene... Honestly, who would buy this thing enough that it out sold more units than landraiders and devastators

It's a fairly decent unit that has a neat profile to it- plus it's a huge bug so it hits all the right spots for Tyranid players.

Even for those who aren't

More nids... Hmm. Not much room for Adeptus Mech, Marines and Age of Sigmar left. Something has to give. Hoping it's Age of Sigmar...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
More nids... Hmm. Not much room for Adeptus Mech, Marines and Age of Sigmar left. Something has to give. Hoping it's Age of Sigmar...

I don't think there are any new (i.e. not repacks) AoS kits that could qualify for this list, except maybe Archaon, and he was just released. Other that that it's just Stormcast and Khorne, and I really doubt any of those will appear. I would like to hope that some of the fantastic AoS kits, like the Lord Castellant, would appear, but they won't.

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Admech sicarians on 14! Amazing kit.

Yay!! Admech!!

I bet the Sternguard and Vanguard kits are pretty high. Those kits are just packed with bits.

 Mymearan wrote:
Admech sicarians on 14! Amazing kit.

I would have figured them higher, they're reasonably priced and one of the few units you'd buy in bulk.

Hope they're not the only Ad Mech to make it to the list.


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Opps my bad, I thought they were Skitarii, but they're the killer scarecrows. Good, leaves room for the Skitarii later.