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 oldzoggy wrote:

This isn't my point. He might have liked the guy or even have been the guy who knows. It doesn't really matter if the emperor liked him or not, he doesn't rule his imperium other do it for him. He is just a corpse in a fancy chair.
What does matter is how the current ruling class of the imperium would look at the idea's of marks. I don't think that those in power of a religious system would in a distopian future would like marx to spread word about alternative power structures and the evil that is religion and oppression by the ruling class.
Men have been branded a heretic and an enemy of the imperium for far less.

You mention Marx's view on religion, which is the state enforcing its will on the masses through physical violence to get rid of religion. It's exactly what the Emperor did during the Great Crusade.

That there is a world where the Emperor isn't venerated as a god, similar to most Astartes, is highly likely.

As far as power structures, the IoM wouldn't care as long as the world keeps up the tithes.

The emporer was alive during Karl Marx's time and there's no fluff suggesting he killed him. This leads me to believe he didn't care about him, was curious of him or maybe even respected him (bit of a stretch). To say the emps didn't have the power or influence to muster is to say that all human leaders who managed to muster themselves with such a short life span is more capable then the emp. whom had millenia of a head start.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

This isn't my point. He might have liked the guy or even have been the guy who knows. It doesn't really matter if the emperor liked him or not, he doesn't rule his imperium other do it for him. He is just a corpse in a fancy chair.
What does matter is how the current ruling class of the imperium would look at the idea's of marks. I don't think that those in power of a religious system would in a distopian future would like marx to spread word about alternative power structures and the evil that is religion and oppression by the ruling class.
Men have been branded a heretic and an enemy of the imperium for far less.

You mention Marx's view on religion, which is the state enforcing its will on the masses through physical violence to get rid of religion. It's exactly what the Emperor did during the Great Crusade.

That there is a world where the Emperor isn't venerated as a god, similar to most Astartes, is highly likely.

As far as power structures, the IoM wouldn't care as long as the world keeps up the tithes.

Actually, Marx did not want the state to enforce its will on the people. Quite the contrary in fact. The idea of a state enforcing its will on the people is anathema to communism. Marx wanted to get rid of states entirely. On the matter of religion, Marx would also have opposed forcing atheism on anyone. Marx wasn't really against religion. Rather, he believed that religion was something artificial invented by the people to help them cope with their oppression (hence, 'opium of the people'). Or in Marx's own words:

Karl Marx wrote:"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.''

Marx believed that religion would become unnecessary and thus dissappear naturally under a communist system.

 tau tse tung wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Someone who heralded in the deaths of 100 million people with an ideology that sought to replace religion?

He'd love it.

Marx never was a leader and didn't run around with around with a machine gun.

The more you know.

He developed the ideology stop playing semantics

 Harriticus wrote:

 tau tse tung wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Someone who heralded in the deaths of 100 million people with an ideology that sought to replace religion?

He'd love it.

Marx never was a leader and didn't run around with around with a machine gun.

The more you know.

He developed the ideology stop playing semantics

The difference between writing down thought, and engaging in genocide is not semantics. The difference in result and in action taken is dramatically huge.

Also there's been a huge focus on communism, of course, but communism was a bridge in Marx's philosophy, and from both communism and socialism, life under the Emperor's rule, well sure as hell isn't Marxist whatsoever.

1. Supermen - Primarchs and Astartes - This alone should be the peak of anti marxism right here.
2. the concentration of power in the very few.
3. Extreme scale serfdom
4. Slavery and gross punishment.

I could go on. If empy did one thing with the works of Karl Marx, he wiped his ass with them. However; the current imperium is Malcador's, and not the Emperor's. Malcador reads to me like a textbook executive branch politician. Almost completely dedicated to practicality, which allows him to do awful things while still being very human and attached, while the emperor is alone.

I would love to know what Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka thought of Margaret Thatcher.

FacebookJunkie wrote:
I would love to know what Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka thought of Margaret Thatcher.

Could Thatcher have killed an Ork Nob in a fight, bare-handed? If yes, he might have had some respect for her. If not, he would probably think of her as a puny soft git barely worth stompin'.

She probably could though. She weren't called Iron Lady for nothing.

FacebookJunkie wrote:
I would love to know what Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka thought of Margaret Thatcher.

Too brutal, too kunnin', even for a 'umie, let alone an Ork.

She'd probably be able to lead her own waaaaaagh! Ghazzy would have to challenge her to subsume her Boyz. I bet she'd win. Waaaaaagh Thatcher!

Thatcher would snap Ghazzy like a twig.

Ghazgul is Margaret Thatcher tho
Body paint goes a long way.