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Favourite: Chaos daemons, followed closely by CSM, then craft world eldar. This holds for both fluff and game play.

Least favourite: fluff wise, orks. Their "anything happens if we believe it enough" is absurdly stupid and so is every ork that ever existed. None of their machines would actually be effective, their society wouldn't work, their "limitless in number" plot armour seems so lazy even compared to space wolves plot armour, they have worse technology than we did 100 years ago and that simply would never ever translate to any sort of capability vs. The rest of the factions, in real life. In my opinion, they don't belong in the setting and I can't take anything written about them or any game I play against them seriously in a narrative sense. That being said I've always had fun in a game sense playing against them, I've never felt hopelessly outclassed or as if I was hopelessly outclassing them, and it's fun to drop so many bodies during a game.

Gamewise, I dislike playing against tau and also BA. Tau is just boring and has too many things that require no effort or thought to subvert whatever tactics I might have. BA because it isn't really their fault, I just always feel like their units are so expensive that they can't put much on the table in a game, and the units they have hemorrhage points like crazy vs my daemons, it's basically just a game of target priority... i have too much that ignores their expensive armour and my units can often roll over many of theirs. I feel like they need a massive boost. I really like BA fluff wise and model wise but any game I play against them feels like punching a bag full of infant puppies.

Favorite: Dark Angels, Orks, or Daemons

Least Favorite: Tau, Eldar, or any all bike SM armies. Their power levels over shadow a lot of fun that could be had with the armies

 Vankraken wrote:
From top to bottom
Orks
Space Wolves
Tau
Grey Knights
(Bunch of other stuff I don't play but are still cool)
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Doing Taxes
Public Speaking
Root Canal
Eldar

Gonna have to disagree with you here mate.

I'd rather speak in public than do my taxes.

Favorite:

1. Necrons
2. Tyranids
3. Eldar
4. Tzeentch Daemons
4. Blood Angels
5. Raven Guard (C:SM)

Least Favorite:

1. Dark Eldar
3. Chaos Space Marines
4. Any other Daemons
5. Grey Knights


Anything I didn't mention is something I don't care for, but don't particularly hate.

This seems to be my best thread so far thank you everyone

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
This seems to be my best thread so far thank you everyone

10/10 would thread again.
But favorite, CSM, my first and favorite army. Second off is the tau, mainly because I love robots I have a small collection of them that I actually converted heavily to ally with my chaos band. Third off is orks, never played them but I like the fluff.

Least favorite would probably be space wolves, but I don't really hate them either, they just don't intrest me as much as the other armies.

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Fav: Flesh Tearers due to the fluff. Seth realizes they're a dying chapter and wants then to go out the best way they can: by answering calls for help and helping whoever needs it.
And IG. I like the normal Humana holding the line against all the nastiness out there.

Least: what the SW have become. They were my first army but riding around on wolves and that Stormfang? What a joke. Besides SW: tau and crons. Super boring fluff and play.

Favorite would be Chaos Space Marines. They are so metal. Khorne is a close second, for being so macabre (he collects tithes of blood and skulls, how metal). If only CSM's rules would reflect that they are one of the greatest threats to the imperium, or even on equal footing with vanilla SM...

Least favorite would probably be Tau. Not for gameplay reasons, a highly-technologically advanced opponent that is few in number but high in firepower is not such a big deal. It is what it is. I just don't like the whole "bushido" thing they pretty much blatantly ripped off of Japanese culture, if the Mecha suits weren't ripping it off enough. Just seems like an obvious ploy to pull in anime fans, which I am not... just my opinion.

2nd least favorite would probably be eldar. That is for gameplay reasons. They got a stupidly good codex while us CSM players are stuck using Khorne Daemonkin rules to have the merest possibility of having competitive games.

My favorite race is Eldar, all Eldar. Craftworlders, the Dark kin of Commoragh, Harlequins, Corsairs, Exodites, you name it. I love that the primary difference between them is simply their reaction to Slaanesh.

"Oh crap, our deviant behavior and use of psychic energy created a chaos god that killed most of us"
Craftworlders: "Let's form a strict disciplinarian society to prevent this from happening again."
Dark Eldar: "Screw that! We'll keep doing what we want, we'll just leave psychic powers out of it.'
Corsairs: "We think we might try a little of both those ideas"
Exodites: "All of you are crazy, we're going to return to a simpler lo-tech way of live over here on these agricultural planets"
Harlequins: "Laughing god's got our back! We are all the same people, let's get along!"
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My least favorite army is by far Imperial Guard.
GW: "In this game of high sci-fi fantasy, you can choose a variety of super humans soldiers in armour, diverse alien races, evil from another dimension,....or human, plain ordinary humans."
Me:"Are they technologically advanced?"
GW:"Not really, imagine WW2 with laser pointers"
Me:"Oh, sorry, I don't play Flames of War. Can you tell me more about the sci-fi armies?"

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 Galef wrote:

My least favorite army is by far Imperial Guard.
GW: "In this game of high sci-fi fantasy, you can choose a variety of super humans soldiers in armour, diverse alien races, evil from another dimension,....or human, plain ordinary humans."
Me:"Are they technologically advanced?"
GW:"Not really, imagine WW2 with laser pointers"
Me:"Oh, sorry, I don't play Flames of War. Can you tell me more about the sci-fi armies?"

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This all plays into the whole retro-futue dystopian vibe that 40k is built on. It's a big part of what makes 40k well...40k.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Galef wrote:

My least favorite army is by far Imperial Guard.
GW: "In this game of high sci-fi fantasy, you can choose a variety of super humans soldiers in armour, diverse alien races, evil from another dimension,....or human, plain ordinary humans."
Me:"Are they technologically advanced?"
GW:"Not really, imagine WW2 with laser pointers"
Me:"Oh, sorry, I don't play Flames of War. Can you tell me more about the sci-fi armies?"

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This all plays into the whole retro-futue dystopian vibe that 40k is built on. It's a big part of what makes 40k well...40k.

I know, and GW does a surprisingly good job of showing human society in a galactic "dark age". I just like stuff that is farther from reality in my sci-fi. I am human (I think) so I find humans boring in a fantasy setting.

My other favorite armies from a fluff standpoint are Daemons, Necrons and Tau. So that should say a bite about where I am coming from. I like Space Marines, but mostly from a "Heroic, better than Human, but still flawed" standpoint.

Complete opposite for me, can't enjoy games where I can't play humans

I love CSM and, to a degree, Eldar. I like most factions.

I partially dislike IG (an interpretation of them) and I am disliking Orks more and more. They are so horribly inconsistent - they can't decide if they want to be an infighting slapstick army with machinery that blows up if you look at it harshly or a mighty, organised and effective army.

No, I do not believe they can be both at the same time. There's limits to how much impossibility even 40k can handle.


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 Bobthehero wrote:
Complete opposite for me, can't enjoy games where I can't play humans

Humans are fine as long as you emphasise that you are ONLY HUMAN. You are less than cannon fodder to the countless hilariously lethal supersoldiers and alien races to the galaxy, and you get sent in human wave attacks where your primary way to inflict casualties is to trample the enemy to death.

'Humanity feth yeah' doesn't feel like it has a place in 40k beyond one-in-a-billion cases like Ollanius Pius). This is a grimdark setting, not Halo or Crysis. If you want a setting where your average joe and his rifle will get the job done, and both Joe and his civilisation can feel genuine hope for tomorrow, you should look elsewhere than the setting that's the origin of the 'grimdark' term!

The only crazy alien race is probably the Eldars and the Necrons, the rest will usually die rather quickly to a lasgun shot.

Marines aren't really super duper, either. Just oyu know, better.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The only crazy alien race is probably the Eldars and the Necrons, the rest will usually die rather quickly to a lasgun shot.

Tyranids, as well - Gaunts are perfectly evolved for their battlefield role and very adaptable, unlike humans who really are incredibly inefficient, weak and fragile when you think about it. For an example, consider chimpanzees, who are by no means as optimised yet are still much stronger than humans even though they are smaller!

And a case can be made for the very resilient Orks, though we both know what we think of those. And Tau who just have a big technology advantage (though the IG CAN compensate for that with raw numbers)

Marines aren't really super duper, either. Just oyu know, better.

Again, this is not Halo. Space Marines are not ODSTs like people believe, they are Spartans +10. As average joe with a lasgun, if you decide to join in the battle of the big boys, you are going to achieve little more than being a very shiny red stain.

An Ork boy, a Nid gaunt and a Tau FW aren't that much of an issue for a guardsman, the Tau being the worse of it.

As for Marines, meh, get a good weapon, get civilians (or other guardsmen) to play the distraction and laugh the night away.

 Bobthehero wrote:
An Ork boy, a Nid gaunt and a Tau FW aren't that much of an issue for a guardsman, the Tau being the worse of it.

Even in the game mechanics, the Guardsman will statistically lose most of those fights, and the tabletop buffs the IG models to truly obscene levels.

As for Marines, meh, get a good weapon, get civilians (or other guardsmen) to play the distraction and laugh the night away.

Which only means both you and the civilians die...

 Ashiraya wrote:
I love CSM and, to a degree, Eldar. I like most factions.

I partially dislike IG (an interpretation of them) and I am disliking Orks more and more. They are so horribly inconsistent - they can't decide if they want to be an infighting slapstick army with machinery that blows up if you look at it harshly or a mighty, organised and effective army.

No, I do not believe they can be both at the same time. There's limits to how much impossibility even 40k can handle.

Well...they usually arent both at the same time. Their natural state is one of in fighting and absurdity. It's only very rarely that a powerful enough warlord can tame enough of the sillyness to be an organized and effective army, and even when they are, it's usually a couple cunning Orka doing thr heavy mental lifting while the rest mostly just die in droves so the sneaky thing has a chance to work, and then inevitably always falls apart at some point later. Not even Thraka could totally prevent that

That's what keeps them from suffering the problems SW's have in my mind, the SW's almost always win, or at least win the moral victory, the Orks slapstickness usually bites them in the ass and dooms them to failure. They don't often pull out the win. They kill and break and demolish lots of stuff, but almost always ultimately lose because of their inherent goofiness.

Favorite: Space Marines (Ultramarines) and Chaos Space Marines. I like the fluff of both, especially Chaos, but they're both intertwined with each other. I loved the models and paint schemes when I first started playing.

Least Favorite: Tyranids and Necrons. Neither army was cery interesting to me. In terms of performance, I don't really like the playstyle of either. I dislike them mostly for their looks, though.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
An Ork boy, a Nid gaunt and a Tau FW aren't that much of an issue for a guardsman, the Tau being the worse of it.

Even in the game mechanics, the Guardsman will statistically lose most of those fights, and the tabletop buffs the IG models to truly obscene levels.

They'll win vs the Gaunt depending on range and biomorphs, equal the Orks and lose to the Tau. And no, the TT doesn't buff the Guard to obscene levels, you're just so far up the whole SM fangirl you can warp your head around the fact that they're not the main army of the Imperium or Chaos and that they're not OP, i don't know what the feth is wrong with you but your utter refusal to admit that the IG might be fething able to do more than die pathetically so that the SM's would be put on another goddamn pedestal is getting fething ridiculous. And feth if its not annoying seeing you constantly pop up '' But nooooooooooo your faction sucks and never does anything anything in the fluff waah wahh '' every goddamn tiem there's a discussion about fluff.

 Bobthehero wrote:
And no, the TT doesn't buff the Guard to obscene levels, you're just so far up the whole SM fangirl you can warp your head around the fact that they're not the main army of the Imperium or Chaos

On a galactic scale, they are absolutely the main army, though at key battlepoints the SM can play a more important role.

i don't know what the feth is wrong with you but your utter refusal to admit that the IG might be fething able to do more than die pathetically so that the SM's would be put on another goddamn pedestal is getting fething ridiculous.

SMs are grimdark too, just in a different way. They fare much better individually against the dangers of the galaxy, but they are by far too few to make a strategic impact on a galactic scene, and the Imperium crumbles around them which they are powerless to stop.

And feth if its not annoying seeing you constantly pop up '' But nooooooooooo your faction sucks and never does anything anything in the fluff waah wahh '' every goddamn tiem there's a discussion about fluff.

Stop for a moment and consider what the Ork players feel about the posts you usually make about them.

The IG definitely has an impact, but it is through numbers, not quality.

The tabletop buffs Guard models because even the most dedicated Guard player would struggle with painting the hundreds of infantry minis required to match a Space Marine force in the fluff.

Anyway, favorite is Guard. Getting stuff done with none of the glory. Though I do hate the view of IG that GW seems to have, where seemingly no officer has heard of flanking maneuvers, securing positions, or anything really (see: Mont'ka.)

Least favorite: Necrons. Boring to fight, silly over-the-top power in the fluff.

 Ashiraya wrote:


Stop for a moment and consider what the Ork players feel about the posts you usually make about them.

The IG definitely has an impact, but it is through numbers, not quality.

Except I don't pop in random thread and starting railing on the ORks, I stick to the '' Least favorite factions '' threads. I avoid the Ork related stuff and don't comment in them

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:


Stop for a moment and consider what the Ork players feel about the posts you usually make about them.

The IG definitely has an impact, but it is through numbers, not quality.

Except I don't pop in random thread and starting railing on the ORks, I stick to the '' Least favorite factions '' threads. I avoid the Ork related stuff and don't comment in them

You will find I do not post in IG threads much either.


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 Lukash_ wrote:
The tabletop buffs Guard models because even the most dedicated Guard player would struggle with painting the hundreds of infantry minis required to match a Space Marine force in the fluff.

Agreed, and it's fine for a game, though it's important to remember that it is just that: a game.

Anyway, favorite is Guard. Getting stuff done with none of the glory. Though I do hate the view of IG that GW seems to have, where seemingly no officer has heard of flanking maneuvers, securing positions, or anything really (see: Mont'ka.)

I didn't hear that about Mont'ka. As much as human wave attacks are fun, their officers should at least be squeezing in as much tactics as they can. That is sad.

It should be noted that I do not hate IG in and of themselves. I am considering collecting Scions and I WILL collect Chaos IG, in fact I have already started. I just heavily dislike one interpretation of the faction.

The one where they're not incompetent monkeys, apparently.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The one where they're not incompetent monkeys, apparently.

Implying that 'incompetent monkeys' and what we see on the tabletop are the only possibilities is just not true.

I prefer them doing a good job considering the circumstances - most of them anyway, IG are very diverse - but just not individually being on par with most other factions, compensating with numbers.

The guard aren't the worst fighters I think there better than the normal Tyranid hormaguant and termaguant and the ork boy the ork sluggas better than a las gun and the ork is tougher and are MUCH MUCH MUCH better in melee so I would give it to the ork boy and it will probably take a couple shots in the head to be killed by a lasgun to kill a boy so I'll give that to the ork boy tau fire warrior is better in every way but melee

Orks might be more skilled but they're slow and that means its not a completely one sided fight in melee.

Not that melee should matter, but heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey that's another subject.

Also: Lasguns might not be better than Ork guns, but the shooters are more accurate and guardsmen are better armored.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Complete opposite for me, can't enjoy games where I can't play humans

Don't you find that somewhat stifling and unimaginative in a sci-fi game? Whilst I don't mind guard, I'd find it quite boring to just play people, not even interesting ones, apart from the abhumans of course.
Being able to play as a completely different alien species, with wildly differing motivations and cultures is one of the charms of 40k.
Guard are OK, I kind of appreciate the look of krieg, but cadians? Boring as paste to look at and role play with surely.