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So the kid didn't miss and people are upset? Liberals!

Society is going downhill and everybody is getting stupider/losing their values/etc. so the obvious solution is easier access to lethal weapons!

Right. Because the best way to be safe is to be armed. So you can shoot first? I have never been able to follow that one all the way through.

I think jmurph was being facetious.

 feeder wrote:
Right. Because the best way to be safe is to be armed. So you can shoot first? I have never been able to follow that one all the way through.

Congratulations, you just did.

Also, most defensive gun uses don't involve shooting someone.

I hope the gun owner faces charges for her negligence.

 Knockagh wrote:
Yea a glove compartment ( or centre console ) is total safety I would keep my savings in it knowing full well no one could get near them. Those latches are a safe crackers nightmare.

It doesn't have to be a safe cracker's nightmare - it just has to be an effective barrier to the child accessing the gun.

Did anyone see this pic? Lol.

Where was the good guy with his concealed carry gun to put a stop to this horrific shooting!!??!!

Is the point of this thread just to point and laugh that someone got shot? If so it is a poor reflection on us as a community.

 feeder wrote:
Right. Because the best way to be safe is to be armed. So you can shoot first? I have never been able to follow that one all the way through.

Worked pretty well in the cold war...


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Is the point of this thread just to point and laugh that someone got shot? If so it is a poor reflection on us as a community.

Considering that that is what happened, yes it probably was.

 Nurgle wrote:
Instead of just calling people idiots for their beliefs lets try and keep this civil.

What if they are actually idiots who wouldn't know reason if it shot them in the back? Hypothetically speaking, of course...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Did anyone see this pic? Lol.

Spoiler:

That really just sums it up. On average, these people are far more likely to be a danger to themselves, their families, and the public at large, than they ever will be of stopping a crime.

Yes, accidents happen. But this one could have been avoided if she had a) secured the kid in the booster seat and b) kept her gun in a more secure location ie the glove compartment. Or at the very least had one of those trigger padlock thingies

For anyone actually interested in more than taking glee from this unfortunate incident you may be interested to know that thankfully events like this are not only a definite minority, but negligent discharges have been trending downwards for a considerable period

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yes, accidents happen. But this one could have been avoided if she had a) secured the kid in the booster seat and b) kept her gun in a more secure location ie the glove compartment. Or at the very least had one of those trigger padlock thingies

Or not had a gun in the first place, because statistically you are more likely to be the victim of an accident than an assault.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
but negligent discharges have been trending downwards for a considerable period

Perhaps because the number of gun owners has been trending down.

 Smacks wrote:

That really just sums it up. On average, these people are far more likely to be a danger to themselves, their families, and the public at large, than they ever will be of stopping a crime.

I will step right up and say I have no sympathy for her. It was a situation brought about/created by her own choices.

Would you have sympathy for someone who chose to murder another person?

Common sense says to not leave your loaded gun:

1) in your vehicle (highly illegal in most states)
2) near your child that can access it, fire it, etc

 Smacks wrote:

 Nurgle wrote:
Instead of just calling people idiots for their beliefs lets try and keep this civil.

What if they are actually idiots who wouldn't know reason if it shot them in the back? Hypothetically speaking, of course...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Did anyone see this pic? Lol.

Spoiler:

That really just sums it up. On average, these people are far more likely to be a danger to themselves, their families, and the public at large, than they ever will be of stopping a crime.

Except that doesn't really tell the whole story, does it? Amazingly we have places in the US where loads of people own guns and there is very little gun violence. Of course it's easier for someone with no experience in the matter whatsoever, and very limited perspective, to speak condescendingly about it. The truth is, the average gun owner isn't a danger to anyone.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I have no faith left in my civilization or any human civilization.

The west will fall, I hope I die soon so I don't have to see it.

This escalated quickly...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yes, accidents happen. But this one could have been avoided if she had a) secured the kid in the booster seat and b) kept her gun in a more secure location ie the glove compartment. Or at the very least had one of those trigger padlock thingies

How about a holster? Those work wonders.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
For anyone actually interested in more than taking glee from this unfortunate incident you may be interested to know that thankfully events like this are not only a definite minority, but negligent discharges have been trending downwards for a considerable period

Really? Cause this seems to be happening a lot lately...

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2016/mar/09/mother-could-face-pristoddlers-accidental-sho/354252/

http://fox40.com/2016/03/08/2-year-old-shoots-herself-in-south-sacramento/

http://wncn.com/2016/03/05/michigan-gun-owner-toddler-shooting-mom-in-the-head-a-total-accident/


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 Hordini wrote:

How about a holster? Those work wonders.

That too..

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I have no faith left in my civilization or any human civilization.

The west will fall, I hope I die soon so I don't have to see it.

This escalated quickly...

Unlike the rest of you I have already accepted that my greatest accomplishment will be dying for a civilization that truly died 60 years ago that I will never experience. The greatest impact of my life will be becoming a statistic in coming wars.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I have no faith left in my civilization or any human civilization.

The west will fall, I hope I die soon so I don't have to see it.

This escalated quickly...

Unlike the rest of you I have already accepted that my greatest accomplishment will be dying for a civilization that truly died 60 years ago that I will never experience. The greatest impact of my life will be becoming a statistic in coming wars.

That and forum posts.

The internet will never forget your contributions before your sacrifice!

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
For anyone actually interested in more than taking glee from this unfortunate incident you may be interested to know that thankfully events like this are not only a definite minority, but negligent discharges have been trending downwards for a considerable period

Really? Cause this seems to be happening a lot lately...

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2016/mar/09/mother-could-face-pristoddlers-accidental-sho/354252/

http://fox40.com/2016/03/08/2-year-old-shoots-herself-in-south-sacramento/

http://wncn.com/2016/03/05/michigan-gun-owner-toddler-shooting-mom-in-the-head-a-total-accident/

THREE TIMES=A lot.

Geez I got through Americas public schools and knew that one.


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 d-usa wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I have no faith left in my civilization or any human civilization.

The west will fall, I hope I die soon so I don't have to see it.

This escalated quickly...

Unlike the rest of you I have already accepted that my greatest accomplishment will be dying for a civilization that truly died 60 years ago that I will never experience. The greatest impact of my life will be becoming a statistic in coming wars.

That and forum posts.

The internet will never forget your contributions before your sacrifice!

That's just my perspective, don't tell me you have hope for this garbage heap we call the first world.

The point is that it shouldn't be happening EVER because...you know....GUN SAFETY

Something that people have been preaching but not following.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Really? Cause this seems to be happening a lot lately...

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2016/mar/09/mother-could-face-pristoddlers-accidental-sho/354252/

http://fox40.com/2016/03/08/2-year-old-shoots-herself-in-south-sacramento/

http://wncn.com/2016/03/05/michigan-gun-owner-toddler-shooting-mom-in-the-head-a-total-accident/

Really

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I have no faith left in my civilization or any human civilization.

The west will fall, I hope I die soon so I don't have to see it.

This escalated quickly...

Unlike the rest of you I have already accepted that my greatest accomplishment will be dying for a civilization that truly died 60 years ago that I will never experience. The greatest impact of my life will be becoming a statistic in coming wars.

I suggest you travel to the Lost Hills bunker, speak to Talus, and claim the T-51b Power Armor found on level 3: it will aid you in your quest. You'll need a repair skill of at least 75 to fix it though.


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 TheMeanDM wrote:
The point is that it shouldn't be happening EVER because...you know....GUN SAFETY

Something that people have been preaching but not following.

Considering that there are more guns than people in the US, it seems more like the majority of legal gun owners have been practicing gun safety rather well. The fact that events involving gun negligence make the news indicates that it is rare enough to be newsworthy - that is, outside the norm.

"It is lawful to possess a concealed firearm for self-defense or other lawful purposes within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. A firearm other than a handgun may be carried anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use.
This exemption does not authorize the carrying of a firearm concealed on the person."

(17) "Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
That's just my perspective, don't tell me you have hope for this garbage heap we call the first world.

I actually do.

I look at the advancements we are making in science, healthcare, agriculture.
I look at the improvements my community is making.
I actively participate in my community to make it a better place for me and the people around me and volunteer in my city, county, and state.

If I didn't have any hope I might as well just stop wasting my time and kill myself and my family so they don't have to suffer what you think we are all suffering from.

 Hordini wrote:
Of course it's easier for someone with no experience in the matter whatsoever, and very limited perspective, to speak condescendingly about it.

Well now who is being condescending? I have been following and debating this issue for literally years, and I've read dozens of the arguments and studies (from both sides of the debate), many posted by you, so telling me I have "no experience in the matter whatsoever", is just a sad ad hominem. But I suppose it's easier to attack me personally than it is to acknowledge that guns evidently do more harm than good.

 Hordini wrote:
The truth is, the average gun owner isn't a danger to anyone.

That's like saying the average landmine isn't a danger to anyone. We'll be back here soon enough, sometime in the next few weeks one of today's "average" "law abiding" gun owners is going to make the news again, and then a few weeks again after that. I'll look forward to us chatting again then.

 Hordini wrote:

Considering that there are more guns than people in the US, it seems more like the majority of legal gun owners have been practicing gun safety rather well.

The number of gun owners has been decreasing for a few decades now, despite the increasing number of guns.

Just something that should be clarified if we are bringing up the number of guns as an argument either way.