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Imateria wrote: I'm in a casual meta and really the only Eldar player. This was the case before the current codex though.
Eldar seem to be a victim of their own success, beause of Wraithknights, Scatterbikes and Warp Spider spam there's a huge amount of hate out there for them but if you don't run those units you're left with a lot of good but not OP units that can make for fun games.
But then you get good ol' gladius-terrain moving 2++ rerollable marines calling you op still. Sadly even though the most popular army is now one of the best in the game, eldar will always be complained about as op, even if you were to run guardian footspam.
That's because guardians can turn TDA, the "best" imperial armor into swiss cheese with their basic weapons.
Sadly even though the most popular army is now one of the best in the game, eldar will always be complained about as op, even if you were to run guardian footspam.
Because the logic would be: "it's OP for your basic Troops to have guns that can wound anything with the potential for AP2" regardless of the fact that those guns are almost never in range of the units they want to shoot at before EVERY other armies basic guns splats them with AP5 guns
Guardians aren't in a vacuum. Scatterlasers will remove any threat to them before they can fire those AP 5 weapons. The Eldar have no weaknesses at all. That's why they get the hate.
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Imateria wrote: I'm in a casual meta and really the only Eldar player. This was the case before the current codex though.
Eldar seem to be a victim of their own success, beause of Wraithknights, Scatterbikes and Warp Spider spam there's a huge amount of hate out there for them but if you don't run those units you're left with a lot of good but not OP units that can make for fun games.
But then you get good ol' gladius-terrain moving 2++ rerollable marines calling you op still. Sadly even though the most popular army is now one of the best in the game, eldar will always be complained about as op, even if you were to run guardian footspam.
That's because guardians can turn TDA, the "best" imperial armor into swiss cheese with their basic weapons.
Sadly even though the most popular army is now one of the best in the game, eldar will always be complained about as op, even if you were to run guardian footspam.
Because the logic would be: "it's OP for your basic Troops to have guns that can wound anything with the potential for AP2" regardless of the fact that those guns are almost never in range of the units they want to shoot at before EVERY other armies basic guns splats them with AP5 guns
Guardians aren't in a vacuum. Scatterlasers will remove any threat to them before they can fire those AP 5 weapons. The Eldar have no weaknesses at all. That's why they get the hate.
Martel, you should realize by now that you are not allowed to tell Eldar players that their army requires the least amount of skill to play. It makes all of their victories a bit more hollow then they already are
Guy #1 does not play often due to work, but he does play eldar. He is not a competitive player so just coasts off of their power level without trying to break the game.
Guy #2 is a good player and smart guy, but luckily for the rest of us he is also a very nice guy. He does not play his Eldar because they are too strong and only broke them out once when he was requested to for a competitive type game.
There's minimal skill with a list that's got scatterlasers. It's a point-and-delete 85% of the units in the game. I guess target prioritization is a thing, but when you are going to leave nothing on the table after two turns of firing, I question that even. 36" range is even the sweet spot for ranges in the game. The whole game revolves around deathstars that can survive scatterlaser fire and in turn kill WKs. There is also a consideration for surviving ion accelerator hits. Hence, TWCs with FNP and storm shields.
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There is just 1 WK in our club, out of 3 Eldar players (not mine).
I use the minimum number of jetbikes in the formation, if I use formations, and 3 Scatter Lasers + 2 Scatter Cannon at most.
Despite getting tabled a lot of the time with my IG or SM armies, I win 1:1 with the Eldar despite this.
The one nearer to me is quite casual, around 4 regular eldar players before 7th, but they were very obnoxious long before then. When 7th dropped, none refused to tone back even the least bit. Lots of "for experts only" claims about eldar, and how crap we were as players. People stopped coming due to their obnoxiousness (They were left without games pretty quickly, so they stood by our sides and called us noobs constantly), so the organisers banned all eldar armies, period. 1 attempted to come back with Tau, lost 8 games in a row and rage-quit.
The one further away from me is very competitive and roughly 1/3 the playerbase were eldar. Don't know when they got kicked, but I just saw an email for a tournament going around, which basically said take anything but eldar. Apparently there were a few fights and a broken warhound, which lead to the outright ban. Not overly familiar with the people there, so not sure if they swapped armies or just quit.
The atmosphere is much better though. Eldar has got it coming to them the longest time ever. Guess 7th was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Sounds like a bunch of asshats to be honest, organisers included.
There's only one "Eldar" player at the club I normally go to now, but he plays Exodites. He's using the Corsair list mostly now, but does have some allied CWE, including a pretty cool dinosaur WK.
Also of note, our club is mostly CSM.
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Martel, you should realize by now that you are not allowed to tell Eldar players that their army requires the least amount of skill to play. It makes all of their victories a bit more hollow then they already are
I thought eldar was a "for experts only" and that only the most tacticool veterans play them?
Sounds like a bunch of asshats to be honest, organisers included.
What were the organisers supposed to do? Let eldar players continue standing around and taunt people? These were the kind of "for experts only" arrogant morons who beat others then rubbed it in as hard as they can, all 4 of them, and when they can't get games, they resort to trolling instead of playing against each other. I'd say they make a great case for eldar to be banned.
Not sure with regards to the second story, I only heard the warhound story, where someone's warhound blew up another's wraithknight, so the eldar player flung his opponents models against the wall. Imagine that, eldar powerlevels are so high that a warhound destroying a wraithknight was rage-inducing. Apparently there were a lot of eldar shenanigans going on before this, like cheating and stealing, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
We used to alternate between a very casual meta in free games and a super competitive meta in tournament games. When it comes to casual games we were about 1/2 eldar, when it comes to competitive everyone pulls out their eldar, so about 3/4 eldar.
I have fairly mixed feelings about it. I generally hate playing in tournaments because everyone maxes out on the best units possible, spamming scatbikes, wraithknights, seer councils, etc. I take my mixed bag DA army, which is mildly competitive, often gets tabled if I do anything other than cower in a corner and use BK with shroud for objective grabbing though.
Our casual meta is sadly being poisoned by eldar over the last few months. For the longest time we had really chill games where you just brought whatever, it was great. Unfortunately, an ork player and I kind of kicked off the gradual decline of it all. I brought an all DW army (kind of bad) and my buddy brought a really fluffy ork army, overall I'd say it really wasn't a good army. We did a duo game against two eldar players. There was only one wraithknight, no seer council, and only one squad of scatbikes. Overall an even matchup. We unintentionally destroyed them. Turn 3 tabled. I beat the crap out of the wraithknight with insanely lucky rolling, I killed two wraithlords with psychic shriek (the only good power I had) the orks made a bunch of successful charges, it was really one sided. We said "sorry, up for a rematch sometime? You guys had a lot of bad luck."
Cue game next week. They're getting their armies out. Two wraithknights, loads of scatbikes, seer councils, the whole nine yards. We get out our crappy DW ork combo, get tabled.
I'm good spirited, "Haha, we really got stomped that game, you guys brought some pretty good stuff that time".
One of these guys.... "Yeah, and you guys brought some real ****, maybe bring a real army next time. This game wasn't even worth playing".
I'm still the nice guy, "sorry, do you want me to bring something a bit more competitive sometime?"
Other dude, "I don't give a ****, bring something real if you want to stand a chance."
Me, "you sure you want a competitive game? I don't usually like to go all in with friendly games."
Him, "we're not friends." Ouch.
Cue game week after that, 1v1 versus this guy. I do as he says, bring a somewhat cheesy RW army, a lot of grav and BK, bike librarians (both roll invis), etc. He gets out that same army from before, looking all smug. Game kicks off, I annihilate his wraithknight and seer council (which didn't roll invis) turn two with some lucky rolls on the BK and librarians. Turn three he forfeits after I get into melee with his scatbikes. He loses it. Every game after that, against everyone, he brings his most powergame list possible. He even took it against the new kid, who's only 15 and runs the most awesome fluffy chaos marine list (it's the coolest matchup when DA fight Fallen). So here it is then, everyone that plays him is upset and start bringing their own powergame lists. All the good formations, nothing but power units, imperial and wraith knights... plus it's turning into an all eldar party. Of the 20 guys, 6 have stopped coming, 9 play eldar. Only two of us don't bring a LoW (myself included). I can occasionally wring a fun game out of people, but unless I bring RW cheese games are done by turn 3. Thankfully the store a bit further away hasn't done this yet, but I fear it might.
I don't hate Eldar, but they have ruined everything.
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