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casvalremdeikun wrote: I almost wonder if Blood Angels and Tyranids will get a Shield of Baal followup. Affairs between the two are hardly unfinished, and it seems like a perfect place to give them each their super detachments.
The term super detatchments is a stretch. IMO they would have to unfudge the codices first.
They don't seem to want to do that. They didn't do it for Orks when they got theirs, and they didn't do it for Imperial Guard when they got theirs either. And a few adjustments to the Blood Angels and they are just a little below the other Space Marines. That I can deal with. Put them solidly in middle tier and I won't complain.
I hope 8th edition rule book comes with all of the codecies. Like the 7th edition book came with 3 books, 8th could be 2 books. Rule book and units/army book.
As Swampmist said, Sad Panda has gone on record to say that we aren't getting any new codices because 7th edition is viewed by Games Workshop as a failed edition. I actually think this is fantastic news because not only does it show that they're aware of how messed up their game is, but that they're actually willing to slam the brakes on army updates so that they can get everything right for 8th edition.
creeping-deth87 wrote: As Swampmist said, Sad Panda has gone on record to say that we aren't getting any new codices because 7th edition is viewed by Games Workshop as a failed edition. I actually think this is fantastic news because not only does it show that they're aware of how messed up their game is, but that they're actually willing to slam the brakes on army updates so that they can get everything right for 8th edition.
Is their a link to this? I am very intrigued by this.
creeping-deth87 wrote: As Swampmist said, Sad Panda has gone on record to say that we aren't getting any new codices because 7th edition is viewed by Games Workshop as a failed edition. I actually think this is fantastic news because not only does it show that they're aware of how messed up their game is, but that they're actually willing to slam the brakes on army updates so that they can get everything right for 8th edition.
Not failed. They just aren't making new codexes for a lame duck period of the edition.
creeping-deth87 wrote: As Swampmist said, Sad Panda has gone on record to say that we aren't getting any new codices because 7th edition is viewed by Games Workshop as a failed edition. I actually think this is fantastic news because not only does it show that they're aware of how messed up their game is, but that they're actually willing to slam the brakes on army updates so that they can get everything right for 8th edition.
Is their a link to this? I am very intrigued by this.
Melissia wrote: And yet I never even noticed a difference. Not like they were gonna release new sisters stuff anyway. That would require effort and a desire to make money.
It seems that GW has other priorities. They may not come from the CEO but from the designer team.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.
Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
Grief wrote: Do wh40k trolls want to watch GW make a big mistake with 8th ed and enjoy watching people rage quit wh40k en masss?
Actually they do. So many people want GW to tank, suffer, go bankrupt, be ripped apart through a bankruptcy sale, then they will complain the new version of 40K is watered down and not the way it was before.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
The Crimson Slaughter 'mega detachment' is just "take exactly 1 of every formation!", which then get's no actual Decurion style bonuses, and only costs north of 2000pts to even field at a bare minimum!
casvalremdeikun wrote: The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.
Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
Chaos Space Marines.
You know, the oldest codex currently standing.
Did you forget about us?
GW has, so why should anyone else apparently care about us?
At least we have something in common with Sisters players though; our model line is typically older than the vast majority of opponents you'll find at your local GW store!
The Crimson Slaughter 'mega detachment' is just "take exactly 1 of every formation!", which then get's no actual Decurion style bonuses, and only costs north of 2000pts to even field at a bare minimum!
casvalremdeikun wrote: The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.
Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
Chaos Space Marines.
You know, the oldest codex currently standing.
Did you forget about us?
GW has, so why should anyone else apparently care about us?
At least we have something in common with Sisters players though; our model line is typically older than the vast majority of opponents you'll find at your local GW store!
Ahh, yeah I'm wrong. My friend lied to me.
I don't understand how CSM can be so bad when they are the biggest threat in the 40k lore. Taking half the legions of the Imperium not enough for a good codex? But some panzees that are dying out are?
Swampmist wrote: The current rumor is that there will be no 7th edition codexes for the old armies because it's a "Lame Duck" Edition; 8th is in the works.
Well I am okay woth that if true. Painful for those needing updates though. But it does look like side books is the current way forward for now.
Recent trends overall are quite positive for the direction of GW. 40k as a whole needs a burning and rebuilding. And the prophets say it's coming. But we will keep more of the 40k foundation than WFB did in their transition to Sigmar.
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
The Crimson Slaughter 'mega detachment' is just "take exactly 1 of every formation!", which then get's no actual Decurion style bonuses, and only costs north of 2000pts to even field at a bare minimum!
casvalremdeikun wrote: The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.
Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
Chaos Space Marines.
You know, the oldest codex currently standing.
Did you forget about us?
GW has, so why should anyone else apparently care about us?
At least we have something in common with Sisters players though; our model line is typically older than the vast majority of opponents you'll find at your local GW store!
Ahh, yeah I'm wrong. My friend lied to me.
I don't understand how CSM can be so bad when they are the biggest threat in the 40k lore. Taking half the legions of the Imperium not enough for a good codex? But some panzees that are dying out are?
Too many butt hurt Loyalist fan boys, chief among them being Jervis's son would be my guess.
Mind you, it's always fun to hear comments such as how it's about time that Loyalists finally get access to a largely worse Obliterator type unit, because Chaos is so OP and all...
Grief wrote: Do wh40k trolls want to watch GW make a big mistake with 8th ed and enjoy watching people rage quit wh40k en masss?
In my opinion, the player base could use a good cleansing as well. There are a lot of people who min/max and cheese out their armies. These are the people that feed (if not created) this new pay to win craze (think Tau and Eldar) with some recent releases.
I think an 8th edition could be great in more ways than one. That could also backfire on me as well. And we'll see boxes of 5 models shoot up to $100 like they are doing with Sigmar.
That is the one thing that GW is clearly not going to change. And ultimatley may sink them regardless of anything else they do. I mean good grief, $100 US for 3 guys on horses? The prices for 40k vehicles are already getting out of control.
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
Frozocrone wrote: I don't understand how CSM can be so bad when they are the biggest threat in the 40k lore. Taking half the legions of the Imperium not enough for a good codex? But some panzees that are dying out are?
GW is punishing them for having the worst fanbase.
CSM players are 4Chan and Space Marine players are Reddit.
Nonononono, what about the Guard codex? there is so much there that is wrong and needs fixing. For instance, I would like to actually have an Elites section and Fast Attack choices beyond Sentinels.
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In my opinion, the player base could use a good cleansing as well. There are a lot of people who min/max and cheese out their armies. These are the people that feed (if not created) this new pay to win craze (think Tau and Eldar) with some recent releases.
Third edition is a recent release now?
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If GW has any brains with 8th, they won't make the same twin angle error they did with AoS. Change the rules OR the fluff, not both at the same time.
I'm not sure that'd I'd be interested in 8th though - I've only really started playing again with late 6th (dropped out somewhere in 2nd), but I've been buying codexes and rulesets since Rogue Trader. I finally have a full set of hardbacks and enough models to be painting until I retire, so unless GW really straightens the game up, I'm done with them.
I'd be happy if they just re-released the Tyranid codex with all the units, and the top 10 detachments, in one book.
Right now you have most of the army in the codex, all the new models rules on printouts/White Dwarf pages, and all the formations in digital format, or scattered across other books.
In my opinion, the player base could use a good cleansing as well. There are a lot of people who min/max and cheese out their armies. These are the people that feed (if not created) this new pay to win craze (think Tau and Eldar) with some recent releases.
Third edition is a recent release now?
Man, that'd be weird; if Third Edition is a recent release, I guess I should stop complainign about GW forgetting that Sisters exist and need new fething models.
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Stormonu wrote: Yeah, the Tyranid codex is the one book I have that I'd really like to see fixed - and would pay money for - before a new edition drops.
Oh that will happen. That is what happened the last two editions I believe. So we might get a new codex before a new edition and then the new edition will just screw up the codex again and wait another 3-5 years of futility.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
In my opinion, the player base could use a good cleansing as well. There are a lot of people who min/max and cheese out their armies. These are the people that feed (if not created) this new pay to win craze (think Tau and Eldar) with some recent releases.
Third edition is a recent release now?
Man, that'd be weird; if Third Edition is a recent release, I guess I should stop complainign about GW forgetting that Sisters exist and need new fething models.
Don't mind me, I'm just an old codger who remembers the third edition meta, where you had an explosion of Blood Angels armies because you could assault out of rhinos (Rhino Rush) and BA's went farther. So accusations that there are 'a lot of people who min/max and cheese' like it's something new or unique is amusing.
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Gamgee wrote: Dark Eldar suck the big one too. :( Easily worse than Chaos Space Marines and that's an astounding accomplishment thanks to these new base rulebook FAQ's.
Dark Eldar are certainly in need of help, but let's be real here, they are nowhere close to CSM levels of inept...
Codex vs. codex, DE are better than CSM's.
It's only when you supplement your "Chaos Marine army" with about 75%+ of FW and/or Daemon allies that CSM armies become around mid tier.
Guys, we're not gonna do another round of who sucks worse. DE, CSM, Orks, and Guard are all pretty much in the same boat.
Gamgee wrote: Dark Eldar suck the big one too. :( Easily worse than Chaos Space Marines and that's an astounding accomplishment thanks to these new base rulebook FAQ's.
Dark Eldar are certainly in need of help, but let's be real here, they are nowhere close to CSM levels of inept...
Codex vs. codex, DE are better than CSM's.
It's only when you supplement your "Chaos Marine army" with about 75%+ of FW and/or Daemon allies that CSM armies become around mid tier.
Guys, we're not gonna do another round of who sucks worse. DE, CSM, Orks, and Guard are all pretty much in the same boat.
As can Guard, Orks, and CSM. Had an Ork player at our LGS get to top 4 out 16 (with several Eldar, Decurions, etc.). My point was arguing about who's the biggest loser is pointless.
Stormonu wrote: Yeah, the Tyranid codex is the one book I have that I'd really like to see fixed - and would pay money for - before a new edition drops.
Oh that will happen. That is what happened the last two editions I believe. So we might get a new codex before a new edition and then the new edition will just screw up the codex again and wait another 3-5 years of futility.
At least you get a damn codex, with new units and minis to play around with. Sisters have the same minis since 2nd edition, and the same rereleased units since third, only nerfed.
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Stormonu wrote: Yeah, the Tyranid codex is the one book I have that I'd really like to see fixed - and would pay money for - before a new edition drops.
Oh that will happen. That is what happened the last two editions I believe. So we might get a new codex before a new edition and then the new edition will just screw up the codex again and wait another 3-5 years of futility.
At least you get a damn codex, with new units and minis to play around with. Sisters have the same minis since 2nd edition, and the same rereleased units since third, only nerfed.
Sisters need new figures. £50+ for a single ten girl unit is taking the utter biscuit, not to mention said unit is composed of nearly two decade old sculpts. Although after having seen Games Workshops most recent releases I now fear for the Sisters if GW does decide to redo them. Multi part plastic and affordable would be great but at the cost of looking like something out of scooby doo? Maybe not.
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Stormonu wrote: Yeah, the Tyranid codex is the one book I have that I'd really like to see fixed - and would pay money for - before a new edition drops.
Oh that will happen. That is what happened the last two editions I believe. So we might get a new codex before a new edition and then the new edition will just screw up the codex again and wait another 3-5 years of futility.
At least you get a damn codex, with new units and minis to play around with. Sisters have the same minis since 2nd edition, and the same rereleased units since third, only nerfed.
Sisters need new figures. £50+ for a single ten girl unit is taking the utter biscuit, not to mention said unit is composed of nearly two decade old sculpts. Although after having seen Games Workshops most recent releases I now fear for the Sisters if GW does decide to redo them. Multi part plastic and affordable would be great but at the cost of looking like something out of scooby doo? Maybe not.
Nor would they be affordable... Probably 25-30 quid I imagine. More affordable? Sure. Still not actually affordable though.
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