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 SolidOakie wrote:
Hey guys! I just finished reading Prospero Burns today and had a couple questions about the Space Wolves. They are not a legion I am particularly drawn to, but I know a lot of people like them so maybe y'all can help me out. Firstly, I don't understand why the Thousand Sons were censured at Nikaea for dabbling in sorcery, when the Space Wolves have shamans of their own. In fact, I am reading the HH series in order and by the sounds of it, so much as owning a rabbits foot is heretical, so why are they allowed their totems and magical customs at all?

Secondly, it is common knowledge they are the Emperors executioners, who enforce "sanctions" on other legions. Why weren't the World Eaters used in this capacity? It seems like work that is right up their alley. Thanks everyone!

1. The Space Wolves used "sorcery", as did a lot of other legions. The reason why the Thousand Sons were singled out is because they made much, much more use of sorcery than all the other legions.
2. The World Eaters would have been by far the worst choice for such jobs. An executioner is someone you want to be controllable, someone who is absolutely and unquestionably loyal and who you can trust to follow orders. The Space Wolves (or the Emperor's lapdogs, as the World Eaters are fond of calling them) were all that. The World Eaters were the exact opposite. They were common murderers, savage barbarians without loyalty or obedience to the Emperor and just as happy to turn on their allies as on their enemies. The World Eaters might have been an useful tool, but no one in his right mind would have ever trusted them with something sensitive or important.


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 Brennonjw wrote:
for the first comment: 'cause Russ is a hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less. "hurr durr we don't use warp energy, we channel the power of Fenris" The Thousand Sons were censured (along side all legions) because the High lords, half the primarchs, and a little bit of the Emperor feared the warp, while half the primarchs and many others wanted to use the warp for the Imperium.

for the second question: Russ's title was self stylized, not official. Russ named himself the "emperor's executioner" and his arrogance caused himself many problems because his bloated sense of importance (Night of the wolf, Prospero, etc.) HOWEVER, the space wolves are much easier to control than the World eaters were. The only official times the space wolves were told to go after other legions were 1) when they took out one of the lost legions, and 2) when they were sent to arrest Magnus. Every other time, it was Russ giving the job to himself.

Really: Russ was an arrogant, hypocritical bum, and this sums up a large number of his stupid decisions.

Aw, still butthurt over Prospero, are we?

Note that Russ' title wasn't self-styled, it was the other Primarchs who started calling him that after his rumoured involvement in the dissapearance of one of the lost legions. Also, Russ wasn't more arrogant or self-important than most of the other primarchs, nor did his arrogance ever cause any problems. The Night of the Wolf was a success, not a problem. Russ' strategy worked and they humiliated the World Eaters and taught Angron an important lesson (which he subsequently failed to learn from). For Prospero, Russ is blameless. The blame mostly falls on Magnus, who in his arrogance and overconfidence thought he was above the Emperor's laws and could stop the Heresy. The other person to blame is Horus who gave Russ the order to destroy the Thousand Sons. Russ himself was actually reluctant to destroy Prospero and fight Magnus, and even after getting Horus' orders still offered the Thousand Sons a chance to be spared. Nowhere is Russ being arrogant and nowhere is this the cause of problems or stupid decisions. Rather, it was Magnus' hubris and self-pity which led to stupid decisions, as well as the meddling of the Chaos gods that sealed the fate of Prospero. Russ and the Space Wolves were nothing but a tool there.

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Posted today, for those who are looking forward to the Space Puppies.

Russ will be my first Primarch purchase for sure. I really hope they make Magnus fit into a battle base like Fulgrim and Ferrus. I will gladly buy both.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:


That would be Dan Abnett and Prospero Burns, I can't stand that book. Try as I might I just cant like it. I hate the main character, I hate the leather fetishist masks, I hate how the wolves are portrayed, I hate that he clearly introduces a character to be one of the POVs and then forgets him for most of the book. Come to think of it, I think the only thing I liked was Russ trying to reach out to Magnus right before the attack. But even that was dumb, because "Hurr Ima talk through this dude because I think he's a spy for Magnus."

To give some perspective, I like Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels ALOT more than Prospero Burns, and both of those are not good.

I was excited to see the Wolves fleshed out as much as the 1000 Sons were, as 100 percent of my grimdark knowledge is bound to the Horus Heresy series. This book was a massive disappointment. Aside from the first book, I really haven't enjoyed Dan Abnetts stories so far. I was chomping at the bit for Legion and I was let down. I couldnt wait for Prospero Burns and again, let down. This book would have been better with the first 330 pages ripped out. I wish I had counted the amount of times "wet leopard growl" was said, and I cringed at "THERE ARE NO WOLVES ON FENRIS" after the 4th or 5th mentioning. All in all it was a real bummer because now there are 17 legions I love/like/admire/find fascinating, and one legion I don't.