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jreilly89 wrote: Anyone know why it comes with Punchout!!! featuring Mr. Dream and not the classic Mike Tyson's?
Because, endearing film cameos and animated series aside, he's still an unbalanced lunatic who beat and raped a woman and tried to eat an opponent. Not exactly Nintendo quality.
Yet they still gave him a famous part in the hang over. Boom ba dish. da dish
Comes down to licensing. Same reason there hasnt been a rerelease of old outrun.
my pi can do the same thing and is upgradeable. My pc can be a nintendo anyway.
Cmon Rare. A prettied up Blast corps would be fantastic.
Ahh Rygar, feth him, he ate to many 20 cent pieces
jreilly89 wrote: Considering Super Mario Bros. 1,2, & 3 generally go for $30 (for all 3) on eBay?
I can get them for five bucks on Nintendo's online store, IIRC, or zero for an emulator. Or if I don't want to do anything illegal, I can play one of the millions of games inspired by or ripping off any of them, because SMB is by far the easiest game to find a parody game for, game inspired for, our outright ripoff for, it would literally take me seconds to find thousands of them at my fingertips.
And best part is, this way I not only get more variety of games, I don't have to muck about with plugging cords in or move any furniture around trying to fit a new, relatively useless piece of plastic around that will never be allowed to play games I, myself, feel nostalgic for but aren't part of Nintendo's core lineup. I can play, for example, Rygar which I mentioned before on an emulator no problem, and there's plenty of ways to use a controller with the emulator and broadcast it on to a proper TV screen, too.
Like I said, ambitionless, soulless attempt to cash in on nostalgia. That's all it will ever amount to. It's pretty obvious that they don't really care, they're just looking to make a quick buck for zero effort.
Iffy cartridge support is still better than none whatsoever.
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jreilly89 wrote: Considering Super Mario Bros. 1,2, & 3 generally go for $30 (for all 3) on eBay?
I can get them for five bucks on Nintendo's online store, IIRC, or zero for an emulator. Or if I don't want to do anything illegal, I can play one of the millions of games inspired by or ripping off any of them, because SMB is by far the easiest game to find a parody game for, game inspired for, our outright ripoff for, it would literally take me seconds to find thousands of them at my fingertips.
And best part is, this way I not only get more variety of games, I don't have to muck about with plugging cords in or move any furniture around trying to fit a new, relatively useless piece of plastic around that will never be allowed to play games I, myself, feel nostalgic for but aren't part of Nintendo's core lineup. I can play, for example, Rygar which I mentioned before on an emulator no problem, and there's plenty of ways to use a controller with the emulator and broadcast it on to a proper TV screen, too.
Like I said, ambitionless, soulless attempt to cash in on nostalgia. That's all it will ever amount to. It's pretty obvious that they don't really care, they're just looking to make a quick buck for zero effort.
Iffy cartridge support is still better than none whatsoever.
Sure man, keep grinding that axe against Nintendo, not EA, Ubisoft, or any of the actual companies that release shovelware or buggy versions for money.
Besides, at the end of the day, they're a COMPANY. Everything they do is to make a sale. God forbid they actually make some people happy in the process by giving them convenient access to legal versions of their products.
I'm gonna pick one up. I think it'll be hella fun. My only peeve would be that it looks like the controllers are wired. I'd prefer wireless convenience even if it would be a little more expensive, since it's 2016 now. But not a deal breaker.
Necros wrote: I'm gonna pick one up. I think it'll be hella fun. My only peeve would be that it looks like the controllers are wired. I'd prefer wireless convenience even if it would be a little more expensive, since it's 2016 now. But not a deal breaker.
Me too. Wonder if it's impossible to do wired and keep them within the dimensions of the original controller? Or if it's for nostalgia sake?
jreilly89 wrote: Sure man, keep grinding that axe against Nintendo, not EA, Ubisoft, or any of the actual companies that release shovelware or buggy versions for money.
Right, because me saying this one product is an uninspired crapfest intended to rake in a quick buck off nostalgia, taht must mena I have absolutely no criticism of EA, Ubisoft, Activision, et cetera.
What the hell? Just because EA is gak doesn't mean Nintendo's perfect. Stop being a blatant fanboy. FFS, I have a longer history of criticizing EA on this forum than you do.
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jreilly89 wrote: Sure man, keep grinding that axe against Nintendo, not EA, Ubisoft, or any of the actual companies that release shovelware or buggy versions for money.
Right, because me saying this one product is an uninspired crapfest intended to rake in a quick buck off nostalgia, taht must mena I have absolutely no criticism of EA, Ubisoft, Activision, et cetera.
What the hell? Just because EA is gak doesn't mean Nintendo's perfect. Stop being a blatant fanboy. FFS, I have a longer history of criticizing EA on this forum than you do.
So because you have a longer history of complaining, that makes you the expert? And I'm not fanboying, I'm recognizing a decent cost to quality ratio. Nintendo released something their fans wanted, sure, the virtual console existed, but that meant I needed a Wii or WiiU, which previously were around $200-$350 at time of release. This is $60 for 30 games, that's $2 a game, which is less than the virtual console cost.
Please, point out how this is an "uninspired crapfest". Short of accusations, you've shown no prove on it's lack of quality, games, etc.
If people want to wallow in nostalgia they should feel free too, but why ruin the Christmas period by playing shoddy games you have mis-remembered as fun rather than fugly pointlessy hard timesinks, and this isn't just wailing on Nintendo this is spoken from the bitter veiwpoint of someone who owns the C64 version that came out a few years back !
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Turnip Jedi wrote: If people want to wallow in nostalgia they should feel free too, but why ruin the Christmas period by playing shoddy games you have mis-remembered as fun rather than fugly pointlessy hard timesinks, and this isn't just wailing on Nintendo this is spoken from the bitter veiwpoint of someone who owns the C64 version that came out a few years back !
I have Zelda and Zelda 2 on my Wii, as well as Punch-Out. They're still fun. I doubt I could lose 20+ hours in a week to them like I did with Fallout 4 last Xmas, but still fun.
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Turnip Jedi wrote: If people want to wallow in nostalgia they should feel free too, but why ruin the Christmas period by playing shoddy games you have mis-remembered as fun rather than fugly pointlessy hard timesinks, and this isn't just wailing on Nintendo this is spoken from the bitter veiwpoint of someone who owns the C64 version that came out a few years back !
I have Zelda and Zelda 2 on my Wii, as well as Punch-Out. They're still fun. I doubt I could lose 20+ hours in a week to them like I did with Fallout 4 last Xmas, but still fun.
My thoughts as well. It's a bargain, and I've not seen actual evidence for why this won't be good.
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jreilly89 wrote: So because you have a longer history of complaining, that makes you the expert?
And yet people accuse ME of being aggressive. Moving the goal posts, are we? Yeah, you ARE fanboying out.
You criticized me for criticizing Nintendo because for some reason you though that meant I was unwilling to criticize EA.
feth that. I'm willing to criticize anyone. And I have done so. And in spite of your blatant attempt to move the goalpost, you know goddamned well that's why I said that, so shame on you.
jreilly89 wrote: Please, point out how this is an "uninspired crapfest". Short of accusations, you've shown no prove on it's lack of quality, games, etc.
I already did.
But if you want me to add more to it?
They're releasing a cheap plastic case with cheap reproduction controllers-- I know this, because such things already exist, they're not expensive to make to begin with-- in order to let us play what is at most... something around 150 megabytes of gaming software if my math is right (software which, by the way, was already developed two or more decades ago). Though in reality it's far less than that, because most games didn't fully use the ~1mb size of the NES cartridge or the 100mb of the SNES one, but even if all thirty games did (and they don't), it's still a no-effort deal for them, code in a basic game select screen with some screenshots that take as much disk space as the games themselves, and voila.
The components inside the cheap plastic case will be cheap as well. After all, these games require little more than a 2-10Mhz processor and 2-8 KB of RAM to run as intended, so anything modern that is cheap will run them with ease, and so that's what they'll use in order to maximize profit. There's actually not much of a reason for them to give gigabytes of ram or anything approaching modern processing power after all, so why would they? And they won't need a really large disk space, since it's not designed to be able to be anything more than run these thirty games, which, themselves, are nothing more than old code they've had lying around for decades since the games left the market. The game will very likely not include internet support or the ability to link to a computer, because the only real reason to do that is to have new software put on the system-- which there's no reason to do so, because they're just re-using a bunch of old stable software as it is, and they've already announced that it won't be able to hold any more games on it than the thirty listed.
A random nerd in a garage could-- and this is not a hypothetical, they already have done so-- produce more ambitious products than this, with more features and more compatibility with old cartridges or the ability to put new software on the system in other ways. I just see this as what it is-- a way to cheaply cash on nostalgia for their flagship games, without putting any effort in to them. And in the end, that's all it'll ever amount to. I'm not saying people can't enjoy it. But I am saying that, to me, it's pretty obvious that this is just a lazy attempt to shove something cheap in our faces and say "give us your money".
I have a fifteen-twenty dollar (including shipping and handling) retro gaming box already, produced by a third party. It reliably plays thousands of games for a third of the price. But this 60 dollar thing (plus SnH and tax) with only 30 games is supposed to impress me?
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jreilly89 wrote: So because you have a longer history of complaining, that makes you the expert?
And yet people accuse ME of being aggressive. Moving the goal posts, are we? Yeah, you ARE fanboying out.
jreilly89 wrote: Please, point out how this is an "uninspired crapfest". Short of accusations, you've shown no prove on it's lack of quality, games, etc.
I already did.
I posit it is possible for this system to be objectively good for Jreilly because it fulfills his needs, while being objectively bad for Melissia because it fails to fulfill hers.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
jreilly89 wrote: So because you have a longer history of complaining, that makes you the expert?
And yet people accuse ME of being aggressive. Moving the goal posts, are we? Yeah, you ARE fanboying out.
jreilly89 wrote: Please, point out how this is an "uninspired crapfest". Short of accusations, you've shown no prove on it's lack of quality, games, etc.
I already did.
I posit it is possible for this system to be objectively good for Jreilly because it fulfills his needs, while being objectively bad for Melissia because it fails to fulfill hers.
I think it's more about one is a troll that pops out on occasion and screams and flails her arms around trying and successfully getting attention. And the other one doesn't realize she's being a troll.
Im in the camp of this is going to be a great addition to my collection and it'll be fun to play these games again. And that's with out those rose tinted glasses. I own plenty of NES games (and other systems as well) and I know from playing as recently as two weeks ago that this games typically need to be enjoyed from afar. BUT!! there are plenty of truly fun games on that list
Like I said, nothing stopping anyone else from enjoying it. But I was asked for an explanation of my personal reaction, so...
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Not to resurrect an old thread, but this seemed relevant. The Mini NES releases to....stagnant results.
Another Nintendo hardware launch, another hardware shortage. The much-anticipated mini NES Classic Edition launched last Friday to much fanfare, and then immediately vanished from store shelves both virtual and digital around the country. Scalpers are having a field day, most everyone else is miffed. In the meantime, a sellout narrative never hurts a product, and Nintendo is promising a steady supply of new units on the way to the holidays. But as far as launches go, this one wasn’t. Which begs the question: what happened?
Hardware launches for in demand products are difficult, and some degree of shortage can be acceptable. But all signs point to something more than that: retailers that I and others called on launch day reported single-digit stock, which is pretty absurd. Amazon made it clear that it was going to release its stock at a specific time on Friday, and it sold out in an immeasurably small amount of time. Nintendo announced this product back in July to pretty universal excitement, and the company must have known that this was going to be a popular item. Even without the giddiness that followed the announcement, any company could have figured that they’d need more than five or six units per store.
Polygon’s Chris Grant points to two possible explanations: one, that Nintendo is incompetent, and two, that Nintendo is underhanded. I tend to agree. Friday felt like less of a launch and more of the final marketing push for the NES Classic Edition: whip everyone up into a frenzy, drive some headlines and gradually roll out more stock once everyone is already convinced to rush out and buy one as soon as its available. It’s not the newest marketing tactic in the book, and it’s certainly the cynical point of view. The other option is that Nintendo has basically no clue how many people want to buy its products, ever.
Unfortunately, I’m taking the cynics view on this one, especially when the absurdly limited stock is taken into account. This is a consistent pattern with Nintendo, from Amiibos to the Wii, and eventually it begins to feel more like a strategy than a miscalculation. I also think it’s a bad idea. Artificial scarcity feels like an old tactic from an era when the Internet wasn’t so good at generating hype on its own. Sure, anyone who failed to get a NES Classic Edition on launch day is now champing at the bit to get one now, but they also would have bought one on launch day. I know this is a simplistic philosophy, but I feel like it holds as something of a marketing ideal. If you’ve got something people want, sell it to them.
I love Nintendo, but man, this really hacked me off. They pulled the same thing with the Wii. For a product I was really looking forward to, at such a low price point, not seeing enough stock is frustrating and disappointing.
There's plenty of people who wanted to relive the old days and new players who never got the chance to that are essentially being denied that. Plus, there's at least a 100-200% mark up on it if you snag one off eBay.
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I think I saw it at my local Staples a couple days ago. But still...no TMNT. Auto-pass for me. It truly bothers me that they'd skip such a classic like that.
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