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How so? The 'cites don't belong to a detachment, meaning it is not battle forged.

 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyrannocytes would not be part of the detachment, but you can make a battleforged army with a single formation and as many Tyrannocytes as you could afford.

From 'Battle-forged Armies' (pg. 117, main rulebook):

A player using the Battle-forged method must organize all the units they want to use into Detachments...

 Massaen wrote:
You might read it as a restriction but when the sheet literally has a box that is labelled restriction you can surely see the issue.

Also - read cypher - he has an exception saying he can be part of ANY detachment...

The only permissions you have from the formation to take are the units listed, and anything extra (say, dedicated transports) normally available to the units listed in the formation. That's a restriction right there.

 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyrannocytes would not be part of the detachment, but you can make a battleforged army with a single formation and as many Tyrannocytes as you could afford.

every model has to be in a detachment to be a battle forged

 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyrannocytes would not be part of the detachment, but you can make a battleforged army with a single formation and as many Tyrannocytes as you could afford.

How? Being slotless doesn't mean they don't have to be in a detachment. It just gives you permission to take any number of them in an existing detachment. Am I missing a rule somewhere that gives tyrannocytes permission to break the rule saying every unit in a battle-forged army must belong to a detachment?
EDIT: Dangit, apparently my phone was really slow updating the thread. Ninja'd by approximately the entire internet.

Okay for a more fun aspect to think about.

newer detachments are now just multiple formations

the main guys to get effected by this is Cypher and some AM units

So unless you are taking a CAD or Allied Detachment you cannot take them?

No, other detachments that aren't just A formation. I would say that even a Decurion as a detachment made of different formations, you could take Cypher, just not as one of the formations itself making up the Decurion unless it had provisions for taking him.

Or you can go unbound.

GodDamUser wrote:
Okay for a more fun aspect to think about.

newer detachments are now just multiple formations

the main guys to get effected by this is Cypher and some AM units

So unless you are taking a CAD or Allied Detachment you cannot take them?

Not entirely true. There is usually a Choice which is NOT a Formation.

However, looking at the Decurion and the various Strike Forces in Angels of Death they all have the following listed as a part of the restrictions:

Only the datasheets listed here can be included in this Detachment.

Codex trumps BRB right? The unit entries (like cypher) say he can be part of ANY detachment... formations are detachments. He doesn't take up a slot so that's not an issue either.

Don't get me wrong - I agree he should not be able to join formations but given we have a specific exception saying ANY detachment (with a few caveats) I don't see how you cant allow him.

Ghaz posted a rule from a Codex.

And that rule from that codex(well nearly all the new codices)is more specific.

It is a Specific rule that applies only to that specific detachment, just like the Cadian Battlegroup limits special characters; it can also only contain the listed datasheets(so no adding commissars to the special FOC when that is exactly what would be allowed by the slotless rules(since the battlegroup does have an FOC as specifically stated in the how to make an army section that allows the Battlegroup).

I agree with Kommissar Kel - it's a rule that's even more advanced/specific that's preventing other models/units not listed for the Decurion to be put in them. If a Decurion did not have that rule, though, you could put in a Decurion (which allows different choices) something that doesn't take up slots as part of the Decurion. The question I'd have now is whether there are any Decurions that don't have that boilerplate statement about including only datasheets listed there.

I had actually missed the part Ghaz quoted in the discussion a year ago; I cited the section that tells us the Decurion-style detachments have a special FOC, and as having an FOC allows for the slotless rules. But that other rule that only those datasheets specified are allowed negates the slotless rules from the brb; those datasheets are what allow you to take those units.

So if you take the Endless Swarm formation, you could put each of the initial units in a Tyrannocite, but when and if they return, they would enter the game normally?


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