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Russ a pansy? he did not sucker kick magnus in the eye. they were fighting to the death, ats all fair then but the lion (who should actually be called a treacherous git) punched russ after they stopped fighting and Russ was laughing at the fact they had a good punchup. i dont think either of them was really trying to kill each other as was shown when the emeporor died and lion stabbed russ thru the heart but turned the blade at the last moment. So this fight dont count. I Would have to in all honesty go for Horus as he was the numero uno guy, even though i would argue for Russ.

Night hunter was a pansy at least Sanguinius knew he was gona die and still fought Horus, night hunter just sat there like a litte biatch and waited to be killed. To late for remorse

Fulgrim could easily be the toughest. However, when he was fighting Guilleman, they were enveloped by a thick, musky mist. HE USE PERFUME TO DEFEAT SOMEONE! That, sirs, is both cheating, and rather disturbing. Also, who else did he fight?

Night Haunter allowed himself to be killed because it would confirm his conviction (from his visions) that the Imperium would tear itself apart. He even warned Fulgrim that the Primarchs would end up bitter enemies, and the Emperor would turn on them, showing no remorse for his lost sons. Dorn took offense, and confronted him.
Night Haunter was never a Chaos worshipper, he found himself excluded, and he would probably have come back into the Imperial fold if the Emperor had shown mercy.

Posted By beef on 05/26/2006 4:14 AM
Russ a pansy? he did not sucker kick magnus in the eye. they were fighting to the death, ats all fair then

I disagree, a kick in the eye is a low blow - up there with throwing sand in opponents eyes or kicking him in the groin.

he kicked him in the eye cos thats were magnus was doing his phykik choas blast laserbeem things/ psyclops impressions from so Russ kicked hin in the eye to make him stop

I vote for Night Haunter, too. He was so though that he has got to allow to kill him.

you know really it was most probably Horus as nobody bested him but the emporor. we are talking before he turned traitor. he was the toughest and in all fairness could have beaten all of the others up, just like abbadon was the baddest first captain so was horus the baddest primarch.

Horus was just the leader figure the story needed. Every other Primarchs could have done the job. And there all still two of them missing.

Night Haunter, without question. Didn't like the other primarchs, beat the crap out of golden boy Rogal Dorn without breaking a sweat and let himself be killed just to prove himself right.

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I would have to join in the Night Haunter wagon also.  Each Primarch would technically have a 50/50 chance of beating any of the others because they should basically have all the same stats.  Brute strength could be countered by speed and speed could be countered by cunning.   Night Haunter on the other hand was a psychopathic 'enforcer'.  Any one as unstable as he was at times wouldn't hold anything  back in a fight - which is why he thumped Dorn so easily. 

I don't remember the story but I like everybody who beats up Imperial Fists

theywere not all equal, while one was strong the other was fast, thats from the lion and the wolf where they were equally martched were the wolf was stronger the lion was faster, but thats them 2 not the others. Horus was the best of the best, he had no equal or superior apart from the emporer. He was the favoured son and nobody could beet him. his martial prowess was abpove the other primarchs.

This should be our next SURVIVOR post in the dakka discussions.

Vulcan, because he hunts Lava Lizards Did he ever square off against another Primarch?

Angron.... because I killed off an Eldar raid whose sole intention was to kill me with my bare fists.... while unarmored and naked...... What other primarch did the eldar fear so much that their farsears ordered them slain before they were discovered?

cmon Russ ripped off a titens head, Russ had the 3rd highest victrory tallies of all the chapters and considering his leagion was not even that big. he even has the main battlr tank of the imperium named after him.. cmon top that

Posted By Angron on 05/25/2006 6:17 PM
And why would anyone want to die so that their soul could be torn apart and consumed for all eternity? No no my friend.... I believe that the Night Haunter knew he was going to be killed by the assassin, that there was no way to escape it, but not that he planned his death..... no one, not even chaos is that insane (besides berserkers)

That's a lot like the theory that Jesus ordered Judas to betray him actually.

My bias was towards Russ prior to reading any of the posts, but Angron, Horus, Haunter and Fulgrim all seem to have strong cases as well. So toughest LOYAL primarch = Russ, IMHO, and that bias of mine hasn't changed. Out of the Traitors/Primarchs of Traitor Legions, I'd hesitantly vote Horus, though Angron and especially Haunter easily top him on the cool factor - I hadn't read much of Haunter's fluff.

cmon before they had de,onic powers Russ all the way, in fairness there is probably more fluff on him than anybody else. GO RUSS GO

I recently read the Fluff about Night Haunter (Index Astartes). he had visions of the Space Marines fighting against each other and the Emporer killing him. so he let the Assassin get to him (altough there is no Evidence that he was really killed by the Assassin), to proof that his visions were true

anyone know where i can read that story about the imperial fists primarch getting a hole ripped out his chest, i read that to somewhere but i dont know where

I think it was a White Dwarf article about the Night Lords. I don't know if there is an Index Astartes book with the same story in it.

you dont hear much of Jagathi Khan even though he was defending terra at the time of the horus heresy along with the blood angels and the imperial fists, how come he is not rated that much??

because the white scars blow? Having a bike army to defend a planet just doesn't seem smart

cmon thats cool they were like the hells angles of the 40k universe

I thought Squats were the Hell's Angels of 40k...

yeah but they dont exist anymore so they dont count. jagati khan is like the gengis khan of 40K

I though the old IG cavalry where the gengis khans of 40k...

yes they were, but white scars are the tougher cousins of them. the old IG are the before pictures and the scars are the after pictures of what happens when they become SM.

he retook and held the spaceport- heck i'd say he was the toughest on terra due to the fact his legion was the only one to really complete their objectives :-p
all the chaos ones failed to win, while dorn and fairy boy couldn't defend the palace successfully

Ummm.... I accomplished my objective on terra.... my job was to kill the citizens and wreak mayhem and destruction... mission accomplished