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he could take all the remaining 19 primarchs and the emporer all together and give them a whupping.

please, no more Chuck Norris! I can't stand it anymore!

besides, Clint Eastwood would kick Chuck's Butt.

boo, clint is over rated. but ok back to the seiousness of this thread.

It is a little known fact, but ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ was the toughest Primarch. When the Emperor embarked to find his sons, he landed on the planet ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ and ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ strode forth to meet him. Filled with scorn that such a frail man could be his creator, ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ refused to join the Emperor. The Emperor's eyes flashed with anger and smote his son with his powerfist, however to his shock, the blow was easily blocked barehanded. ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ then beat the Emperor to within an inch of his life and it was only by teleporting his unconcious forms off the planet that the Emperor retained his life. When he came to, he ordered the planet be rendered lifeless, and the fleet began bombarding the planet with their forward lance batteries. However, ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ just laughed and blocked these blasts with his bare hands too. Defeated, the Emperor decreed that ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ name be struck from the Imperial Records and that the ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ Space Marine chapter be virus bombed into oblivion.

Recently scribes have discovered that the name of the ++NAME EXPUNGED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS++ chapter was:

The Emperor's Dark Blood Eagle Sons of Iron Skull Wolf Warriors of Doom

Seriously though, I can't believe this thread is still going.

his powerfist blow was blocked....
blocked laserblast with his bare hands....

the lost Primarch is Son-Goku!!!

The clear winner here is...




Pan Fo!

this tread is till going as we have still not agreed as to who the winner is. its a toss off between Sang, horus, fulgrim and Russ, also night hunter for some odd reason which i cant fathom.

he ripped a part of yellow belly marine Primarch's chest. that's reason enough. and he let himself get killed to proof that he was right.

and the "toughest" is still Mortarion

yeah but ionly cos he is +1T from the basic stat of the primarchs

Posted By beef on 08/22/2006 11:37 PM
this tread is till going as we have still not agreed as to who the winner is. its a toss off between Sang, horus, fulgrim and Russ, also night hunter for some odd reason which i cant fathom.

For Chrissakes, eliminate Sanguinus already.  That Emo angel guy got owned by Horus.  Therefore, he's weaker than Horus.  Why is he still on this list!

Russ:  Rargh.  I beat up Magnus the Red!  I'm a berserker!  I'M WOLVERINE! 

Horus:  No, I'm WOLVERINE.  Didn't you see my lightning claws!???  I didn't beat up anybody, and got owned by the Emperor.  I'm only awesome in reputation only. -edit- had a brain fart there.  Of course I killed Saguinus.

Night Haunter:  I beat up ROGAL DORN...  and I died an emo death.

Peturabo:  Welcome to the club, that's not anything spectacular... anyone can beat up Rogal Dorn.

Fulgrim:  Uh guys...  Over here?  What's all this with beating up?  I killed Ferrus.  And Robute apparently.  That's got to be worth something.

==========

Final Verdict:  Fulgrim wins!  2 Primarchs to none!

I still stand by my earlier statement. Compairing Chaos Enhanced Primarchs to Loyalist Primarchs doesn't prove anything in who's the toughest, or strongest.

And you contradicted yourself Keezus. You acknowledged that Horus killed Sanguinius, but later on say that he did nothing. (Your forgetting that he mortally wounded the Emperor as well).

ok fine get rid of the angel guy, but get rid of night hunter to as he was sad enough to aloow himself to die to prove a point. "look daddy if i point this gun in my face and pull the trigger i will die. " or "watch me prove that by walking infront of an oncoming lorry i eill die" thats just plain stupid, its not badass/

Fine, if we are skipping Sang and Nighthaunter, I think we should drop Russ as well. What did he ever do. Cheesey victories are not counted. Oh and Oaka, it you read the fight between Magnus and Leman, Russ was on the backfoot and would have been owned except for the kick in the eye.

We got Fulgrim and Horus left.

Could somebody confirm that Russ actually kicked Magnus in a' eye? Because that's just really weird.

Just to throw in one for Sanguinius. Horus was unable to beat him in a fair fight. He only took Sanguinius out with his Psychic powers, powers which were granted to him by Chaos. Otherwise, Sanguinius would have destroyed him. So if we were to compair them as they where as Primarchs, then Sanguinius has got Horus beaten.

Posted By jlmb_123 on 09/04/2006 12:52 PM
Could somebody confirm that Russ actually kicked Magnus in a' eye? Because that's just really weird.

Don't forget that Magnus was a Cyclops and significantly bigger than your average Primarch(As well as the fact he had increased in size for that battle through sorcerous means), so a kick in the eye would be easier than normal. Assuming you can reach that high but Leman did it by grabbing Magnus fist when he was drawing back for a punch.

Posted By djones520 on 09/04/2006 9:15 PM
Just to throw in one for Sanguinius. Horus was unable to beat him in a fair fight.

You forget that Chaos cares not for fair fights. By any and all means is the mantra. So Horus wasn't looking for a fair fight.

I'm not sure where this debate went. We filled six pages with good argumwtns for several Primarchs, then suddenly the list drops to two.
We should still have Russ, Fulgrim, Horus, Sanguinus and Kurze.

-Russ jumped in the air, kicked Magnus in his eye and broke his back over his knee
-Fulgrim made Roboute Guiliman (or however his name is spellled) and Ferrus Manus all high with his sissy perfume.
-Horus cheated with psychic powers
-Sanguinius single-handed killed a bloodthirster, the chosen Avatar of the Wargood
-Konrad Curtze had visions that his father would kill him, so he let kill him self to proof he's right.

I'm guessing Fulgrim in a pure numbers count. He beat 2 Primarches and none of the others have that record.

Russ broke Magnus back and kicked the giant in the eye, he stays. Ok horus was crap he can go, plus he died. Sang 50/50, fulgrim ok he is 2 up on kills. Kurze?? Why?? he died by a little girly assasin. Dont counter with he knew and did it to prove a point, what point?? thats he was stupid??

hey, would you let yourself gelt killed just to proof you have benn right for all those centuries. Not? guess your point, is not impertant enough.

Posted By beef on 09/08/2006 4:00 PM
Russ broke Magnus back and kicked the giant in the eye, he stays.

For the record, he kicked him in the eye and THEN broke his back. Admit it, it was a cheap and cheesey victory. If you include it; then you also have to include the fact that the Lion beat Leman with a single punch. Russ is out either way.

But Skirt Boy put a sword through Russ's heart. That isn't anywhere near a *female dog*slap.
And combat ability isn't base on honour, it's about ones ability to beat an opponent. In fairness, Russ used his fighting style to his own adavantage, out-thing and out-fighting Magnus. That there is a practical warrior, not a prat.

He still got owned by the Lion.

he let the lion stab him in the heart cos he was depressed that the emporor was dead and he would no longer get free beer on Terra. forget the lion, lets not turn this into a Wolves V Marines in skirts argument.

The Lion and the Wolf fought MANY times. There were two instances where the Lion won. The first would be after dueling for three days Russ laughed about the whole thing and the Lion struck him down while he was walking away because he thought Russ was laughing about his dress. The second time Russ Bared his chest and let El'Johnson stab him through the heart. Neither time can be considered a Victory of arms.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the combats between the Primarchs read like bad WWF scripts.

Yes they do, many sucker punches going around. But like the WWE, a championship belt is a Championship belt.

But the Angron [The Angron? Wording is awsome] I'd go with him, in Hours Rising it states that he is wielding a glave that would be almost impossible for other Primachs to wield. That might not make him the best fighter but he does win the award for "Most impractical weapon wielder.' The winner of everything in my book...

Cept I like the Night Haunter Cos he had split personallity and was crazy. Plus his name is Conrad Kruz - which is only trumped by someone named 'Jake Bullet' or 'Frank Spear.'

In the end I'd go with Russ cos he seems like someone I'd like to hang out with. Drinking and eatting - something I do well. [Though not as well as someone who drained the royal reserves of wine.] A lot of the other 'Loyal' Primarchs seemed like really stuck up stiff *female dog*es who wouldn't know how to have a good time if their life depended on it...

Ferrus Manus got punked... so did Corax [cept he didn't die in the drop site massicare]

Mortarion [Even before the Chaos taint] was widely consider the most resiliant of the Primarchs... so... in the end - I don't have an answer... Hurray

Hmm...re-reading what folks have been saying:
If we exclude them based on dying when they knew they would then that'd exclude Sanguinius, and Haunter. Sanguinius never really had made my list in the first place anyways. Toughest Primarch period excludes Russ, but it loks like he ranks a minimum of third place in most people's books. Horus could be pushed out based on the whole "too much like the Emperor to be seen as just another Primarch" argument, okay, sure fine. Considering how the dirty fighting argument's been used to knock out Lion and Roboute - and I STILL have no clue how the blue armoured *fudge* would have killed ANYTHING tough with I1 from those ridiculous gauntlets - that would put a strike against Fulgrim to some degree. That leaves Angron as the number one meanest Primarch, which I suppose is appropriate considering we'r etalking about COMBAT power and he fell to Khorne, God of Fighting. If the embodiment of the emotional force of humans to fight chooses you as its champion, you must be among the meanest mothers. Using the analogy of skateboarding to compare Primarchs, we have:

Rodney mullen-class
1 the Emperor
2 Horus

tony hawk-class
3 Angron
4 Fulgrim*
5 Russ

elissa steamer-class
6 Mortarion
7 Vulkan
8 Haunter+
9 Sanguinius
10 Lion*+

edit - forgot Ferrus Mannus! Dunno if he'd be in the above or the below category though.

no-name pro-class
11 Perturabo
12 Alpharius
13 Lorgar
14 Corax
15 Jaghatai
16 Magnus

kid with helmet and kneepads-class
17 Gulliman
18 Dork

*indicating possible bad form, + shows emo death/girliness

so

it's pretty clear the top three by the unwritten law of the contest are Angron, Fulgrim and Russ. Perhaps some would raise Gulliman above the rank at which I set him, Dork is definitely bringing up the rear. Lion brings up the rear of third class sinc eh gets a double footnote. Mortarion and Vulkan are pretty obviously dead 'ard, though probably not with the sheer destructive force of the tier one primarchs, which is where this discussion is pointed. If it was "which Primarch woudl TAKE the most killing?" then they'd head the list, but this is about DOING the killing. If it was a contest on smarts, Alpharius, Magnus, and Gulliman would all rank a lot higher.

The no-name class I guess you could see as the overall "average" powered Primarchs - they got ordered by the strength of their chapters more than anything, and unfortunately for Magnus, he was both always the bookish one and the one GW development apparently hated. He would have still dribbled Dorn's head backwards before conjuring up a basketball hoop and slam-dunking it to KO Gulliman, however. The other five in that category I'm not so sure about. The only reason Lion's not in there is for sucker punching Russ, which indicates a certain mean-spiritedness neccessary for greater toughness - if it was open ground between him and Perturabo, he'd probably have to do an awful lot of dodging if the original Iron Warrior liked to carry as much firepower as his boys, and in an earnest rematch against Russ - or any Primarch I ranked higher than him - he'd have to count himself lucky if he survived.

THe moral is if Dork and Gullible had gone Chaos instead of Fulgrim and Angron, the Horus Heresy wouldn't have really got going before the heretics would have just been murdered by the combined strength of the three "living blender" Primarchs. It'd be like the A-team, except with just Mr. T and his clones...

Angron pitties the fool.

Though I am curious about Fulgrims level on your list. Did he kil someone I'm not aware of?
Other then Jaghatai and Russ all the Cool/ Good Fighters went to Chaos.