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Anyone who reduces any sort of critique to "whining" is not providing any sort of discussion and is effectively straw manning. I would argue anyone who does so is effectively producing a non-thread - one devoid of any intelligent discussion in favour of echo-chamber, or if you will, 'circle jerk' levels of 'discussion. Even if OPs post is lacking in any in depth criticism, to not address his point and instead reduce it (as lacking as it may be) to 'whining" is a sign of a weak position.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Great, Kirby was right, thanks for proving that.

Its not just that it's "upgrades" that cost 7 points but make the unit objectively worse in every way. Its the powers being the same old table with some new stuff slapped on. It's the fact that TS are no better off today than they were yesterday.

Not sure why you quoted me, I'm disgusted that poster is excited at buying miniatures in amounts because they're required.

I quoted you for clarity, if someone else reads a post like that it will help make things clear to them. And can you clarify that second part.

This thread got off to a bad start.