Switch Theme:

Any plastic Infinity models?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Infiltrating Prowler





Portland, OR

SuperNewb wrote:
 Dark Severance wrote:


I've had no issues with gaps or had to use green stuff.


Just thought I'd leave this here.

You guys need to calm down, LOL.
I don't think anyone is being abrasive honestly *shrugs* but that is just me.

However when you quoted me though, you didn't include the first half of the sentence "Unless I've dealt with real old sculpts of Infinity miniatures, I've had no issues with gaps or had to use green stuff.". Almost everything that was sculpted digitally have fit together quite well. If I am not mistaken Shaolin Warrior Monks were not digitally done are are considered old models (at least in my opinion) but I have no experience with them.

 
   
Made in gb
Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!





Melton Mowbray UK

i have to admit, this is the first time I've ever had to use green stuff to get the model on the damn base.

I got the haqqislam starter a few weeks ago and I was amazed how poorly some of the parts fitted together, more to do with the grooves for where the arms will attach to the bodies being extremely slightly out of alignment. Another one was being how the figures aren't designed to be placed on the base using their metal stand (or whatever you call it). I had to completely clip my Zhayedan off his and make a green stuff mound as one of his rear legs once in position was hovering a good 3mm or so off the base.

I suppose it may be, being spoiled by GW's noob friendly metal models (albeit some of the larger pieces were horrific, pinning the old hive tyrant anyone?). While the infinity models look superb, my early experiences have given me the impression they're far more finicky.

2000
1500

Astral Miliwhat? You're in the Guard son!  
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

It's not that your model fit together poorly, its that there is exactly 1 way those arms go together. Other company's figures give a lot more wiggle room in terms of how the pieces fit, which makes it easier to assemble. CB models have very tight fits, some of which can be difficult to achieve.

They're definitely not user friendly, and anybody who is not familiar with miniature assembly would have a rough time.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in se
Deva Functionary





 Baldeagle91 wrote:
i have to admit, this is the first time I've ever had to use green stuff to get the model on the damn base.

I got the haqqislam starter a few weeks ago and I was amazed how poorly some of the parts fitted together, more to do with the grooves for where the arms will attach to the bodies being extremely slightly out of alignment. Another one was being how the figures aren't designed to be placed on the base using their metal stand (or whatever you call it). I had to completely clip my Zhayedan off his and make a green stuff mound as one of his rear legs once in position was hovering a good 3mm or so off the base.

I suppose it may be, being spoiled by GW's noob friendly metal models (albeit some of the larger pieces were horrific, pinning the old hive tyrant anyone?). While the infinity models look superb, my early experiences have given me the impression they're far more finicky.


The bases supplied whit the miniatures have a slot for the metal stand, you dont need to cut it of if you want to use those bases. You have to cut out the slot in the base, its very thin plastic so its easy to remove.
AS for the hovering leg. It most likely got bent when you removed the stand, i usually have to bend the legs back into position when i do that.

And i haven't had any problems assembling the newer Infinity minnis. You just have to find the right spot for things. Assembling the older CB miniatures ... I dont want to go back to that again after having the newer ones, those ones could be a little bit frustrating to put together.

 
   
Made in us
Combat Jumping Ragik






Beyond the Beltway

Yeah, the slotta bases need to have the slot cut out if you intend to keep the bar between the feet. A fair number of people remove the bar and use pins inserted into the bottom of the feet, and so do not want the slot in the base, since they would need to fill it.

The Tuareg Sniper for the Haqq starter is noted for being a finicky piece to assemble. Many complaints about it.

I hear the new outrage minis are very easy to assemble. CB has apparently learned some lessons from the design process for the plastic minis they made for their forthcoming board game, and will apply those lessons to the metals in the future.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/03 15:50:39



 
   
Made in us
Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Right behind you.

The Outrage models are easy to assemble because they look like the old trashy metals pre-CAD.
   
Made in gb
Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!





Melton Mowbray UK

I understand the models have very specific poses. But many arms simply wouldn't fit snugly with the body regardless of the angle you tried to fit it. One of the Ghulams was a prime example of this. He had one arm that when fitted, in the only manner where it would fit snugly, resulted in the wrist being in the wrong position to fit with the hand on the gun.

They're gorgeous models, but I would certainly say they not noob friendly. The store manager where I got my models from did warn me and I'm not particularly fussed seeing you're only assembling 5 guys at a time, max. It would be a much bigger issue if you were having to assemble 20-30 guys in one go GeeDubs style.

Bubbalicious wrote:
The bases supplied whit the miniatures have a slot for the metal stand, you dont need to cut it of if you want to use those bases. You have to cut out the slot in the base, its very thin plastic so its easy to remove.
AS for the hovering leg. It most likely got bent when you removed the stand, i usually have to bend the legs back into position when i do that.

And i haven't had any problems assembling the newer Infinity minnis. You just have to find the right spot for things. Assembling the older CB miniatures ... I dont want to go back to that again after having the newer ones, those ones could be a little bit frustrating to put together.


Yeah I tried that, most of the modles (bar the sniper) don't seem to have been designed to fit the bases using the slot, legs/feet tending to come off the edge of the base, generally making the basework looking quite ugly. Tried to see if it was bent legs, but generally wasn't. Completely unsure how they attached the box-art models onto their bases... I'm guessing pins or just good ol superglue.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/04 09:13:03


2000
1500

Astral Miliwhat? You're in the Guard son!  
   
Made in au
Norn Queen






 Kanluwen wrote:
The Outrage models are easy to assemble because they look like the old trashy metals pre-CAD.


This makes no sense. The pre-CAD models were terrible to assemble.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Yeah I tried that, most of the modles (bar the sniper) don't seem to have been designed to fit the bases using the slot, legs/feet tending to come off the edge of the base, generally making the basework looking quite ugly. Tried to see if it was bent legs, but generally wasn't. Completely unsure how they attached the box-art models onto their bases... I'm guessing pins or just good ol superglue.


Every single models slot peg fits the base. I should know, I base them all using the base slot and full peg (oldschool habit that I never got out of). The models where the feet overhang the edges still have slot pegs that fit.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/04 23:29:09


 
   
Made in gb
Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!





Melton Mowbray UK

 -Loki- wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Yeah I tried that, most of the modles (bar the sniper) don't seem to have been designed to fit the bases using the slot, legs/feet tending to come off the edge of the base, generally making the basework looking quite ugly. Tried to see if it was bent legs, but generally wasn't. Completely unsure how they attached the box-art models onto their bases... I'm guessing pins or just good ol superglue.


Every single models slot peg fits the base. I should know, I base them all using the base slot and full peg (oldschool habit that I never got out of). The models where the feet overhang the edges still have slot pegs that fit.


I think you're misunderstanding my point. All the slot pegs fit, however the poses on the boxes don't have any of these overhanging feet/legs etc. With some people it's not a problem, but I prefer my models being full on their base if possible. I dunno.... having overhanging feet just looks wrong for myself

2000
1500

Astral Miliwhat? You're in the Guard son!  
   
Made in es
Dakka Veteran




 chromedog wrote:


No, there aren't any infinity plastic models. There aren't likely to be any, either. Corvus Belli do their casting in-house and there aren't any plastic manufacturers in Spain. To do plastics, means outsourcing that job - and they are one of few employers in their region experiencing growth. To outsource would actually hurt their local economy more than to not make plastics.


There's a big toy manufacturing cluster in SE Spain so the know-how is there.

Even in Galicia there are at least two automotive suppliers that I know (for the PSA factory in Vigo) that use HIPS injection. It's just the volume that's not there, it's not like Infinity needs 50+ miniatures per side so metal works for them without needing to sink significant resources.

Plus, for the kind of thin barrels, hands, etc. of the typical Infinity model metal is superior to plastic.



   
Made in si
Foolproof Falcon Pilot





Mind that it took them a while to realize that thicker swords don't bend as easily. Something I think it wouldn't be a problem with plastic material to begin with. Personally find plastic to be better from the aspect of assembly, endurance during transport and unexpected jerks.
   
Made in au
Anti-Armour Swiss Guard






Newcastle, OZ

jouso wrote:
 chromedog wrote:


No, there aren't any infinity plastic models. There aren't likely to be any, either. Corvus Belli do their casting in-house and there aren't any plastic manufacturers in Spain. To do plastics, means outsourcing that job - and they are one of few employers in their region experiencing growth. To outsource would actually hurt their local economy more than to not make plastics.


There's a big toy manufacturing cluster in SE Spain so the know-how is there.

Even in Galicia there are at least two automotive suppliers that I know (for the PSA factory in Vigo) that use HIPS injection. It's just the volume that's not there, it's not like Infinity needs 50+ miniatures per side so metal works for them without needing to sink significant resources.

Plus, for the kind of thin barrels, hands, etc. of the typical Infinity model metal is superior to plastic.


I was paraphrasing stuff that Bostria himself said in previous years in regards to the "plastic minis, yes?" questions he was always getting (and getting pretty damn tired of answering the same question every time, like none of those idiots listened at all ...).

As it is, if the game goes plastic, there'll be even less to differentiate them from the other games out there - and it would see a bunch of my fellow gamers toss the entire thing in the nearest skip and go back to playing the kindy-kays.

I'm 49.
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.


 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut






St. Albans

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Yeah I tried that, most of the modles (bar the sniper) don't seem to have been designed to fit the bases using the slot, legs/feet tending to come off the edge of the base, generally making the basework looking quite ugly. Tried to see if it was bent legs, but generally wasn't. Completely unsure how they attached the box-art models onto their bases... I'm guessing pins or just good ol superglue.


Every single models slot peg fits the base. I should know, I base them all using the base slot and full peg (oldschool habit that I never got out of). The models where the feet overhang the edges still have slot pegs that fit.


I think you're misunderstanding my point. All the slot pegs fit, however the poses on the boxes don't have any of these overhanging feet/legs etc. With some people it's not a problem, but I prefer my models being full on their base if possible. I dunno.... having overhanging feet just looks wrong for myself


Most people I play against use resin bases and cut the slot off. The boxart ones are also resin based [to showcase the Warsenal 'Designed by Angel Giraldez' range]. Therefore they've had the slot cut off and been either pinned or just directly superglued on [which is what I do].

 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
 -Loki- wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Yeah I tried that, most of the modles (bar the sniper) don't seem to have been designed to fit the bases using the slot, legs/feet tending to come off the edge of the base, generally making the basework looking quite ugly. Tried to see if it was bent legs, but generally wasn't. Completely unsure how they attached the box-art models onto their bases... I'm guessing pins or just good ol superglue.


Every single models slot peg fits the base. I should know, I base them all using the base slot and full peg (oldschool habit that I never got out of). The models where the feet overhang the edges still have slot pegs that fit.


I think you're misunderstanding my point. All the slot pegs fit, however the poses on the boxes don't have any of these overhanging feet/legs etc. With some people it's not a problem, but I prefer my models being full on their base if possible. I dunno.... having overhanging feet just looks wrong for myself


That's dependent on which way you put the peg into the slot. The slots on all the bases are off center. So depending on which way you face the model, it may overhang the edge of the base or be centered. Some of the pegs are also shorter than the slot, so it depends on where in the slot you put them lengthwise.

So if you have a model with a leaning pose, you put it one way it will overhang the base by a crazy amount. Put it the other way and it will be over the base. Though some CB models overhang the base no matter what,

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in au
Norn Queen






 Grey Templar wrote:
That's dependent on which way you put the peg into the slot. The slots on all the bases are off center.


They've actually been dead center for years, ever since they moved to the bases that have filled slots that you cut out to the size of the peg.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/11 06:45:55


 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

That is NOT dead center. It is slightly offset. You'll notice the side on the bottom is slightly bigger than the side towards the top.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in au
Norn Queen






Huh, so it is. One side is 1.02cm, the other is 1.03cm. I though they'd moved it to the center.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/12 03:28:34


 
   
Made in us
Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Right behind you.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That is NOT dead center. It is slightly offset. You'll notice the side on the bottom is slightly bigger than the side towards the top.

To be fair, you see this with metal models from basically everyone. I had to bend the base rail for my metal Waywatchers from GW to fit them properly.
   
Made in us
Combat Jumping Ragik






Beyond the Beltway

A picture being worth...


It appears to be 0.5mm off-center. For the record, old GW slot bases, and the slot bases CB used previously were 2.5mm off-center.

A fair number of sculptors seem to like wide stances for minis. Given the 25mm base is 4'+ in scale, we are talking a very wide stance indeed. I dislike overhanging bits because it means chipped paint at some point. >:|

It would be helpful if the bases were actually 25mm at the top too. Those slanted sides make picking them up a real PITA. Another issue though.

Back to plastics. The Aristeia! game pieces are plastic, or will be, as previously noted. There will be 16 of them, 8 in the box and 2 expansions of 4 each, or so goes the rumor I heard.


 
   
Made in au
Norn Queen






The Aresteia stuff also doesn't sound like it's going to be HIPS. From what I heard they're one or two part casts, and the two part casts come pre-assembled. Sounds like PVC. Which, well, it's a boardgame, so that's expected.
   
Made in us
Combat Jumping Ragik






Beyond the Beltway

Agreed. HIPS minis are too easily bent and broken to be used as boardgame pieces. The PVC pices would be similar what one finds in the D&D or Wizkids miniatures -- they take a bit of work, but can be painted nicely enough. I've seen how some of the Outrage minis assemble, and it certainly reminds me of how the WizKids minis I have from the Temple of Elemental Evil board game are assembled.

PVC also looks nice enough in large pieces. And therein lies the qestion. What size will the Aristeia pieces be? Are they going to be 28-32mm? Bostria mentioned that the Chibi Musashi GenCon special was a result of CB thinking about making the Aristeia pieces chibi style. I have one Super Dungeon Explore mini, which is a chibi, and it is much larger than 28mm.


 
   
Made in au
Norn Queen






PVC has come a long way in recent years. The stuff from CMONs latest games, FFGs latest games (especially the Doom boardgame) and what Wyrd are producing for The Other Side all have really good detail.

I'm hoping CB went to one of those companies manufacturers.
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




Central WI

I have been gaming and modeling for almost two decades. There are hood and bad things with each material (resin is fragile and small parts break, plastic generally has less detail, metal can be hard to assemble and chips when dropped).

I have to say infinity makes awesome metal models. The new releases are very detailed, assemble easily, don't need pinning (joints already have pegs and sockets). They are durable and highly detailed. Oh, I forgot to mention virtually no mould lines... very easy prep and assembly.

I liked my gencon van zant and unknown ranger so much I ordered every usariadna model last week. You won't be disappointed with infinity models.

The only metal models I buy are knight models and infinity.

IN ALAE MORTIS... On the wings of Death!! 
   
Made in us
PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant






The new Outrage models are actually very good. Their paintjobs were for whatever reason distinctly sub-par. They have a new cut style that reduces pieces and fits better too, as nearly every single model in that box was either single piece or two-piece with very huge areas of join (like, over a square centimeter with in-set bones to prevent dislocation). They will never need to be pinned.

Here's two of mine.


 
   
Made in us
Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Right behind you.

So you pick the only two done in the current/new style and tell us "It's okay guys!"...?

The box sucked. Just because some of the models were good doesn't mean jack. The Nomad Hacker is awful, the TAG Pilot is awful (not all her fault though because the actual design for her was atrocious), the Dog-Warrior was awful, and the Ninja was semi-passable.

Realistically, if anyone asked me if they should buy the box? I would tell them no.
   
Made in us
PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant






They're all in the new cut. These are the only ones I had finished.
The Ninja and Dog-Warrior's arms and back are a single piece, with their legs, torso and head as the second piece. They go together dynamic enough, despite being two pieces.

The Nomad hacker is a 12 year old girl, that's fine enough. TAG Pilot's accurate to her design and a single piece, but doesn't look it.

Technically, they're fine. Angel's paintjob on them just sucked.

 
   
Made in us
Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Right behind you.

 Killionaire wrote:
They're all in the new cut. These are the only ones I had finished.
The Ninja and Dog-Warrior's arms and back are a single piece, with their legs, torso and head as the second piece. They go together dynamic enough, despite being two pieces.

The Nomad hacker is a 12 year old girl, that's fine enough. TAG Pilot's accurate to her design and a single piece, but doesn't look it.

Technically, they're fine. Angel's paintjob on them just sucked.

You and I have two very different ideas of "the new cut" if you think that the Dog-Warrior looks like:

Or that the ninja looks like a male version of the Red Veil one.

They might be executed well, in terms of the quality of the sculpt, but the sculpts themselves are still awful.
   
Made in us
PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant






Woah, there's no doubting that these models are better as end products. But the way they're set up in pieces is superior. The Outrage ones are distinctly more cartoony because of their source material.

The construction is a new style we should see more often, but the art design is not.

 
   
Made in us
Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Right behind you.

So basically, as I said, they're awful?

There is no excuse for the "source material". Dog-Warriors are shown in the same cartoony style in the art yet got that.
   
Made in us
PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant






No, the argument was: The style they MAKE the new miniatures is fine. It's great.

The fact that they went out of their way to make the styling of the Outrage models after a much more cartoony look than normal was because their source material was their manga, not their dossiers.

This technique of casting will work perfectly fine with their normal dossier-styled models, because it's to do with where to place cuts, not how to sculpt certain features.

 
   
 
Forum Index » Infinity by Corvus Belli
Go to: