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I never claimed that sisters are a better deal this is a personal choice. Some players like to buy the models that they want in the form of a sculpted piece of art one by one. Others like to buy customizable and slightly more affordable computer drawn kits that drown you in bits and are somehow always lacking on the weapons so that they ensure you the hunt for rare bits.

However they aren't that prohibitively expensive as most forum users expect them to be when you compare them to other armies that do not have discounted troops and they compare unexpectedly well to those who have. They are generally only slightly more so or even come out on top in rare cases ( such as orks ).

And they completely lack the unexpected cost of rare bits, just look at your devastator squads. MEQ armies have usually to buy 2 kits or 1 kit and buy those heavy weapons they really want from bits resellers at some dubious high prises. Sister players on the other hand, just buy the models that they want and are done with it. Things get even worse when you switch to non marine armies. I bought a box of Tempestus last week for example. Those guys can have 4 special weapons, jet they only came with 1 each : \

 oldzoggy wrote:
I never claimed that sisters are a better deal

You claimed "This isn't that expensive compared to most other armies if you ask me." and you are mathematically wrong in making such a claim. You can claim "it's expensive but worth it" if you really, really want to. But it is more expensive, and if your opinion is otherwise, then your opinion is wrong.

In fact, feth it, let's look at other armies, shall we?
Space Marines: 40 USD as mentioned for vanilla. Similar kits are 43 for Blood Angels, 39 for Chaos Marines, 60 for Grey Knights, 37.25 for Berzerkers, 37 for Space Wolves, and 70 for Deathwatch-- making Deathwatch the only one with an equivalent of $7 per miniature, and they have a discounted option for 5 minis total for 35 USD that also has a wide range of bitz attached as well (in fact, just to belabor my point, it comes with 7 heads, 5 DW shoulders, 18 Chapter shoulders, 5 DW unique boltguns, 5 power swords, 2 thunder hammers, 1 frag cannon, 2 storm shields, 2 shotguns, 1 heavy bolter, 1 stalker bolter, 2 power maces, and one xenophase blade).

Well that's not working out for your argument is it?

Let's look at non-Marine stuff then.
$29 for ten daemonettes or ten plaguebearers or ten bloodletters, 29 for ten boyz, 29 for ten wyches or ten kabalites, 29 for ten termagants or ten hormagaunts, 29 for ten catachan or ten cadians, 35 for ten valhallans, steel legion, vostroyan, or mordians, 39 for either Skitarii option, 36.25 for 10 Guardians (including two on a weapons platform), 36.25 for twelve necron warriors and 3 scarab swarms, 50 for ten fire warriors, a turret, and two drones, and 30 for eight genestealers, and finally 35 for ten horrors.

All of these get more miniatures, and with the exception of Fire Warriors they get them for either less, or roughly the same amount of money, WITHOUT using a discounted option-- and most of them have said option (such as five cadians for ten, 4 orks for ten, 3 marines per ten, etc).

So no. They are objectively more expensive, even using the "discounted" five bolter-sisters for 35 USD bundle.

There is a big reason why 90% of my units are made using dreamforge models as a base with lots of added GW bits. That reason is because the stumpy bolter gals are ugly as sin...but also because my option, while 8x more complicated to buy and assemble, come out to have more options for 3-4 dollars less a sister..

And this is for girls that are ordered from anywhere from 4-6 sites each unit. Girls that require preplanning to buy exactly the guns, accessories, and backpacks that I need for the unit.

So yeah, Sisters are great and all, but they are not very inexpensive unless you go the conversion route.

Your example of Devastator squads is amusing as well.

$46 for:

Two Space Marine Grav-Cannon and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Missile Launcher and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Multi Melta and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Lascannon and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Plasma Cannon and Assemblies; Two Space Marine Heavy Bolter and Back Pack Assemblies; One each of Combi Plasma, Combi Melta, Combi Grav, Combi Flamer, Bolter and Storm Bolter; One each of Power Fist, Power Sword, Power Axe, Lightning Claw, Chainsword and Thunder Hammer; One each of Plasma pistol, Bolt pistol, Grav pistol. Five Purity Seals, two Servo Skulls, a pile of spent shells, a skull base piece, ten Space Marine targeting helmets, six sets of legs, six Sergeant hands and eight Space Marine shoulder pads round out this immense collection of components.

So you pay $92 USD for four of the same weapon. Fair.

Let's look at Retributors shall we?

Heavy Bolter and Heavy Flamer retributors are out of stock. You can't get them off GW's website. Multi-Melta retributors are 14 USD for one miniature. You pay 56 USD for four of them, and still don't have a complete squad, so guess you better also tack on the 35 dollar battle sister "discount" bundle too (sister superiors are out of stock, so you can't get that), leaving you with paying 91 USD for 4 heavy bolters and 5 regular bolters, and nothing extra in your bits box.

So you pay one dollar less... in order to get a massive decrease in product. Yeah, what a fething steal.


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I mean FFS It's fine to say " I love these miniatures and consider them worth every penny". That's fine, and to an extent I'd actually agree-- they're good looking minis and, though the price is hefty for my limited student bank account, it's still a very nice product. But you were arguing they're "not as expensive", which is VERY misleading.

 Melissia wrote:
Your example of Devastator squads is amusing as well.

$46 for:

Two Space Marine Grav-Cannon and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Missile Launcher and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Multi Melta and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Lascannon and Back Pack Assemblies; Two Space Marine Plasma Cannon and Assemblies; Two Space Marine Heavy Bolter and Back Pack Assemblies; One each of Combi Plasma, Combi Melta, Combi Grav, Combi Flamer, Bolter and Storm Bolter; One each of Power Fist, Power Sword, Power Axe, Lightning Claw, Chainsword and Thunder Hammer; One each of Plasma pistol, Bolt pistol, Grav pistol. Five Purity Seals, two Servo Skulls, a pile of spent shells, a skull base piece, ten Space Marine targeting helmets, six sets of legs, six Sergeant hands and eight Space Marine shoulder pads round out this immense collection of components.

So you pay $92 USD for four of the same weapon. Fair.

Let's look at Retributors shall we?

Heavy Bolter and Heavy Flamer retributors are out of stock. You can't get them off GW's website. Multi-Melta retributors are 14 USD for one miniature. You pay 56 USD for four of them, and still don't have a complete squad, so guess you better also tack on the 35 dollar battle sister "discount" bundle too (sister superiors are out of stock, so you can't get that), leaving you with paying 91 USD for 4 heavy bolters and 5 regular bolters, and nothing extra in your bits box.

So you pay one dollar less... in order to get a massive decrease in product. Yeah, what a fething steal.


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I mean FFS It's fine to say " I love these miniatures and consider them worth every penny". That's fine, and to an extent I'd actually agree-- they're good looking minis and, though the price is hefty for my limited student bank account, it's still a very nice product. But you were arguing they're "not as expensive", which is VERY misleading.

To make Retributers even MORE expensive, the singular best way to use them that I know of is a Repressor. And that's only available on ebay for ridiculous cost. Most of them are assembled and fully painted since it's impossible to buy brand new ones these days. So you're looking at another $130 USD for the amazing 8 firing port transport box to hold your heavy weapon crew in since they by no means have the range that a devestator squad has.

 Melissia wrote:


Let's look at non-Marine stuff then.
$29 for ten daemonettes or ten plaguebearers or ten bloodletters, 29 for ten boyz, 29 for ten wyches or ten kabalites, 29 for ten termagants or ten hormagaunts, 29 for ten catachan or ten cadians, 35 for ten valhallans, steel legion, vostroyan, or mordians, 39 for either Skitarii option, 36.25 for 10 Guardians (including two on a weapons platform), 36.25 for twelve necron warriors and 3 scarab swarms, 50 for ten fire warriors, a turret, and two drones, and 30 for eight genestealers, and finally 35 for ten horrors.

Ack you why on earth don't you stop comparing your sister mini's with discount troops, or keep hammering on getting useless bits.Sister models should be compared to stuff players actually love to field such not with stuff that is considered tax. And then again my argument isn't they they are a steal it is that they aren't that expensive really. Who cares when your toys are 20% over the average cost. This will only result in a slightly smaller army not in you spending more money and the prices are still nowhere near the horrible prices of truely expensive armies such as gene stealers cult or orks.

Heavy Bolter and Heavy Flamer retributors are out of stock, You can't get them off GW's website

Just checked and nope they aren't. It might be a local US thingy OP isn't affecter by that.

This all is horrible, and my glass is made of sand attitude is bordering the obsessive.

Wait I didn't recognise you due your changed avatar...
Jup, I am not continuing this discussion with the fanatic all is horrible dare to say otherwise faction of the sisters crowd any further. To the OP if you ever start a sisters army pls only start it if you love the models and the way they play, do not start collecting this army if it makes you unhappy enough to spam the forums with it.


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 mmzero252 wrote:


To make Retributers even MORE expensive, the singular best way to use them that I know of is a Repressor. And that's only available on ebay for ridiculous cost. Most of them are assembled and fully painted since it's impossible to buy brand new ones these days. So you're looking at another $130 USD .

Stop being an idiot and don't buy that overpriced ebay stuff. Instead just buy the Immolator kit GW offers it only costs 32,50. I agree its 3,50 euro more expensive than a regular rhino but this gives you an impressive upgrade kit that you aren't going to be able to buy anywhere near that price.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:


To make Retributers even MORE expensive, the singular best way to use them that I know of is a Repressor. And that's only available on ebay for ridiculous cost. Most of them are assembled and fully painted since it's impossible to buy brand new ones these days. So you're looking at another $130 USD .

Stop being an idiot and don't buy that overpriced ebay stuff. Instead just buy the Immolator kit GW offers it only costs 32,50. I agree its 3,50 euro more expensive than a regular rhino but this gives you an impressive upgrade kit that you aren't going to be able to buy anywhere near that price.

Because you probably don't understand at all what a repressor is. An immolator wishes it was that beast of a vehicle. An immolator has a single firing point and one choice of weapon turret. A repressor has EIGHT firing points, a storm bolter, heavy flamer, and dozer blade built in. It still gets shield of faith, still moves the same speed, has the same number of doors, oh..and now it has AV 13 on the front.

So..uh..no. You don't just buy an immolator and put your four heavy weapon using squad in something that negates almost all of their fire power. You buy a literal tank that lets them all move and fire without penalty. A tank that is incredibly hard to knock out by most things.

The best option for one is to buy a sororitas rhino for $37 and get your plasticard game on point. Because again..an immolator is no substitution when Retributors are involved.

I haven't seen any other group of players this passionate about the NEED for oop forge world models that are easy to convert yourself. If this thing was really that much in demand it wouldn't have gone oop.

I didn't say there was a NEED for it, and in fact I actually said to convert one yourself if you actually read what I posted. It's just so ridiculously perfect for Retributors that an Immolator makes literally no sense. Why pay 70 points when you can pay 75 for something infinitely better?

EDIT: replied to the last post of the previous page, never mind

 oldzoggy wrote:
Ack you why on earth don't you stop comparing your sister mini's with discount troops

I'm not.

These aren't "discount" troops. These are basic troops choices for each army. Just like Battle Sisters-- which themselves are not the ideal troop for Sisters to spam, either (if many Sisters players could get away with it, they would gladly use Dominions as troops instead).

 oldzoggy wrote:
Jup, I am not continuing this discussion with the fanatic[snip]

Well that's an incredibly pleasant and not at all insulting post.

It shouldn't need to be said, but apparently it does...

GENERAL IN THREAD WARNING:

RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

It is not only possible, but EASY to make your points without insulting someone personally.

And the rules of this site INSIST that it be that way.

For the record, none of the prices I mentioned were for "discount" troops.

They were for full squads. In other words, most armies the same price for a full squad as Sisters of Battle pay for a supplementary pack of five bolter-sisters that cannot actually make a full squad. Quite a few of them actually pay LESS. This is actually one of the best examples of how expensive Sisters are to collect.

Whether barred by price, access, or skill -- some people enjoy running things that others cannot. I am one of those people. Even though I am selling off my sisters (after collecting on/off for 20 years), I'd still take them over a marine force any day.

 oldzoggy wrote:
...oop forge world models that are easy to convert yourself.

Honest question: how would you go about converting a repressor (presumably from an immolator) in a way that is "easy to convert"? Both the raised top piece and the dozer blade at the front look quite difficult to make, either requiring expensive bitz or extensive scratchbuilding with plasticard.

Brother Michael wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
...oop forge world models that are easy to convert yourself.

Honest question: how would you go about converting a repressor (presumably from an immolator) in a way that is "easy to convert"? Both the raised top piece and the dozer blade at the front look quite difficult to make, either requiring expensive bitz or extensive scratchbuilding with plasticard.

With stuff as substantial as a Repressor frontpiece I'd consider MDF or plywood or something rather than plasticard. Then again I really hate me some plasticard.