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Pretty awesome trailer. Inclusion of Lizardmen is an unexpected choice to include (not that that's a bad thing though ).

The combined campaign idea is a pretty cool idea too. Marching the Bretonnian legions to Lustria would be pretty awesome.

 SkavenLord wrote:
Marching the Bretonnian legions to Lustria would be pretty awesome.

I'm hoping they include a NPC faction of Undead on the eastern shore of Lustria, and I'll send an agent to get them to Confederate. I'm pretty sure a part of the eastern coast was called "Zombie Coast" or "Vampire Coast".

Can't wait for this release!

 nels1031 wrote:

 SkavenLord wrote:
Marching the Bretonnian legions to Lustria would be pretty awesome.

I'm hoping they include a NPC faction of Undead on the eastern shore of Lustria, and I'll send an agent to get them to Confederate. I'm pretty sure a part of the eastern coast was called "Zombie Coast" or "Vampire Coast".

Can't wait for this release!

Vampire Coast, nasty bunch of ship-wrecked wretches and degenerates.

Agreed, that would be cool to have a small vampire faction there, giving it a bit more flavor.

 Carnikang wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

 SkavenLord wrote:
Marching the Bretonnian legions to Lustria would be pretty awesome.

I'm hoping they include a NPC faction of Undead on the eastern shore of Lustria, and I'll send an agent to get them to Confederate. I'm pretty sure a part of the eastern coast was called "Zombie Coast" or "Vampire Coast".

Can't wait for this release!

Vampire Coast, nasty bunch of ship-wrecked wretches and degenerates.

Agreed, that would be cool to have a small vampire faction there, giving it a bit more flavor.

Actually, if the second one has mod support, it can be doable. Maybe throw in that vampire dreadfleet captain as the leader.

OgreChubbs wrote:
That looks so good hopefully they will not add any crap from AoS. The game is amazing and lore based, enjoyable all around.

If they throw in ghost lizards in space ships, space stations and teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu or what ever the hell the bubble planets are then it would not be total war. It be sifi war crap tactular.

This game is based on 20+ years of lore and a world that is mapped out. Not a half arse over night fan fiction novel like aos. Total war aos would be a joke. Maze well make harry potter total war.

Yet again more hate towards AoS just 'cuz.

Yes, the World-That-Was exploded, but AoS has a rich lore and is set IN THE SAME UNIVERSE with plenty of novels and more materials writed by original Warhammer Fantasy authors.

Also, AoS will come eventually, don't worry, all of this events are extremely close to End Times, just for making you pop out a vein.

And mind you, Malekith begin actually worthy of the Phoenix King title was the actual crash.

And to remind you that ghost lizards existed since Fantasy, space stations existed in Fantasy, and the whole world was created around teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu and whatever the hell the bubble planets are in Fantasy.

Because a huge pyramids floating in the skies happened until AoS, right?

Aww man, you should've just let that rant slide.

And to remind you that ghost lizards existed since Fantasy, space stations existed in Fantasy, and the whole world was created around teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu and whatever the hell the bubble planets are in Fantasy. 

Haha, that makes me hope the Amazons and their "high age" weapons make an appearance.

I'd love to see a video of a TW player getting surprised by a bunch of supposedly cliche'd savage women warriors unloading on his army with las-guns and bolters.

CMLR wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
That looks so good hopefully they will not add any crap from AoS. The game is amazing and lore based, enjoyable all around.

If they throw in ghost lizards in space ships, space stations and teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu or what ever the hell the bubble planets are then it would not be total war. It be sifi war crap tactular.

This game is based on 20+ years of lore and a world that is mapped out. Not a half arse over night fan fiction novel like aos. Total war aos would be a joke. Maze well make harry potter total war.

Yet again more hate towards AoS just 'cuz.

Yes, the World-That-Was exploded, but AoS has a rich lore and is set IN THE SAME UNIVERSE with plenty of novels and more materials writed by original Warhammer Fantasy authors.

Also, AoS will come eventually, don't worry, all of this events are extremely close to End Times, just for making you pop out a vein.

And mind you, Malekith begin actually worthy of the Phoenix King title was the actual crash.

And to remind you that ghost lizards existed since Fantasy, space stations existed in Fantasy, and the whole world was created around teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu and whatever the hell the bubble planets are in Fantasy.

Because a huge pyramids floating in the skies happened until AoS, right?

Creative Assembly knows its market, and has been rather evasive about AoS coverage, most likely not to offend GW. Everything is about the old lore, and a successful campaign doesn't result in End Times, unless playing Chaos. The campaign is more Storm of Chaos than End times.
AoS would better fit a skirmish tactical game title anyway. A Mass Effect/Dragon Age style of game complete with varied characters is the best way to handle AoS, and I think it would win people through to the new lore.

I believe so as well, while I do think AoS could do well as a game I don't believe it would do well as a Total War style regiment game.

Maybe more of a proper RTS akin to Warcraft 3. Stormcast would have the basic troops and you could make Stormcast Heroes like Lord Relictors.

CMLR wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
That looks so good hopefully they will not add any crap from AoS. The game is amazing and lore based, enjoyable all around.

If they throw in ghost lizards in space ships, space stations and teleport gateways to cinnamon and zuzu or what ever the hell the bubble planets are then it would not be total war. It be sifi war crap tactular.

This game is based on 20+ years of lore and a world that is mapped out. Not a half arse over night fan fiction novel like aos. Total war aos would be a joke. Maze well make harry potter total war.

Yet again more hate towards AoS just 'cuz.

When you've played for years and spent over a thousand dollars (earning minimum wage in my case) on several thousand points of warhammer fantasy models only to be bait and switched by GW and told you "aren't a true fan unless you buy into their new garbage" it's not "just cuz". If fantasy still existed alongside AoS and 40k the hate train would've been far less pronounced. The fact it lives off the death of our game is insulting. My GW where i'm not allowed to play warhammer fantasy anymore (it's not allowed) still has all the Warhammer Fantasy stuff posted on the store. Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead. GW can just suck all the ****s in the world for that.

GW deserved to lose players for what they did and the deserve to lose more if they continue on their 'screw good sized portions of the fanbase' route. Just so you know if they squat dark eldar i will leave GW and it's possible they will squat that faction.

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

It's an example (probably more extreme than i feel but it's a beloved franchise much as star wars is to some) and at my store AoS isn't doing well.

I love the Dev Diarys, I just wish they were longer and went into greater detail.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

Speaking from experience, he certainly is too much into Warhammer with that viewpoint, I would honestly advise taking a break.

AoS might not be that great (ymmv) but it seems well received locally and a good friend swears by it.


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 StygianBeach wrote:
I love the Dev Diarys, I just wish they were longer and went into greater detail.

I can't wait for more information, it feels like the drip feeding is going to last forever. Pausing the videos to see new pieces is fun though.

Also that still of the Slann standing up is probably never meant as an in-game animation, but my mind immediately went to think about how its knees are ever meant to carry that physique

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

Speaking from experience, he certainly is too much into Warhammer with that viewpoint, I would honestly advise taking a break.

AoS might not be that great (ymmv) but it seems well received locally and a good friend swears by it.

My experience with AoS, is that everyone who was a long time player of Fantasy absolutely hates it. People who never gave Fantasy a glance before, enjoys it.

People say it's doing well now, but I'd be curious to see how well it's doing compared to when Fantasy was still going. Doing well, compared to how absymally it was received isn't the best bar of measurement.

While I think the original quote was a bit OTT, I can commiserate. I spent 20 years playing Fantasy, collecting my army, getting it painted, building a story around it. Then in one fell swoop, GW destroyed it. I certainly felt betrayed. And I've given AoS a chance. I can't stand it. I hate how basic the game is. If I wanted to play Warmachine, I'd play Warmachine. I played Fantasy, because I preferred that rule set, that style of game play.

At anyrate, I'm excited as hell to be getting the High Elves back, in some manner of fashion at least.

 djones520 wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

Speaking from experience, he certainly is too much into Warhammer with that viewpoint, I would honestly advise taking a break.

AoS might not be that great (ymmv) but it seems well received locally and a good friend swears by it.

My experience with AoS, is that everyone who was a long time player of Fantasy absolutely hates it. People who never gave Fantasy a glance before, enjoys it.

People say it's doing well now, but I'd be curious to see how well it's doing compared to when Fantasy was still going. Doing well, compared to how absymally it was received isn't the best bar of measurement.

While I think the original quote was a bit OTT, I can commiserate. I spent 20 years playing Fantasy, collecting my army, getting it painted, building a story around it. Then in one fell swoop, GW destroyed it. I certainly felt betrayed. And I've given AoS a chance. I can't stand it. I hate how basic the game is. If I wanted to play Warmachine, I'd play Warmachine. I played Fantasy, because I preferred that rule set, that style of game play.

At anyrate, I'm excited as hell to be getting the High Elves back, in some manner of fashion at least.

I'm glad the Fantasy world lives on through Total War at least. It was such a shame that they just dumped all the background in favor of AoS fluff. I can also empathize to an extent, Fantasy is what got me into Warhammer 15 years ago. I was building a TK army but the prices combined with the insecurity around the existence of Fantasy that started a few years ago prevented me from building it out too much, I regret and don't regret that decision at the same time.

AoS seems to just be for some and not others, personally I haven't tried it yet due to being unable to acces my Fantasy army. IDK if I will ever feel up for trying it after the devastation of all the background and personality. It was still way OTT.

If they let modders keep going on Warhammer Total War it can at least recapture some of the magic of the background. I certainly hope they give people some world map acces to mod, but that seems unlikely, although the faction modders do make me a very happy player.

My experience with AoS, is that everyone who was a long time player of Fantasy absolutely hates it. People who never gave Fantasy a glance before, enjoys it.

I've started about mid to end of 7th myself. I just enjoyed both.

Indeed, "everyone" is a ridiculous notion if you're speaking out of anything but anecdotal evidence.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I believe so as well, while I do think AoS could do well as a game I don't believe it would do well as a Total War style regiment game.

Maybe more of a proper RTS akin to Warcraft 3. Stormcast would have the basic troops and you could make Stormcast Heroes like Lord Relictors.

I actually think it would work as a regiment game, you can still form up with ranks on the TT and the organized armies still do so in the lore. I think it would best to start with the sub-factions and lead up to the elite AoS factions like Devoted building up enough influence to call on the Stormcast, Orruks causing enough destruction to interest the Ironjaws or beastmen doing Tzeentch's will (side-quests) and transforming into tzaangors.

Maybe it'd be best to start-up a AoS game ideas thread?

 djones520 wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Can you imagine how much that hurts? It's like having to constantly see pictures of your dead close family members or friends to remind you that they're dead

I think you may have been too into Warhammer if this is something you think is even remotely close to that.

And of course Age of Sigmar is doing very well now.

Speaking from experience, he certainly is too much into Warhammer with that viewpoint, I would honestly advise taking a break.

AoS might not be that great (ymmv) but it seems well received locally and a good friend swears by it.

My experience with AoS, is that everyone who was a long time player of Fantasy absolutely hates it. People who never gave Fantasy a glance before, enjoys it.

People say it's doing well now, but I'd be curious to see how well it's doing compared to when Fantasy was still going. Doing well, compared to how absymally it was received isn't the best bar of measurement.

While I think the original quote was a bit OTT, I can commiserate. I spent 20 years playing Fantasy, collecting my army, getting it painted, building a story around it. Then in one fell swoop, GW destroyed it. I certainly felt betrayed. And I've given AoS a chance. I can't stand it. I hate how basic the game is. If I wanted to play Warmachine, I'd play Warmachine. I played Fantasy, because I preferred that rule set, that style of game play.

At anyrate, I'm excited as hell to be getting the High Elves back, in some manner of fashion at least.

When you work minimum wage and spend 1,000 USD on an army only for GW to say F you after giving them all your hard earned money and never allowing you to play their own game in their stores ever again because of AoS i'd say being pissed and feeling betrayed is extremely valid. In fact i'd say accepting it with open arms and thinking anything GW does is golden is total crap.

I also don't think it's a good metric to compare GW's idiotic old manager to the new guy which built up AoS into a better game system than it was. The failure that was Kirby was about to murder AoS as well. What do you think all that 'last chance to buy' stuff was about with tomb kings and bretonnia? They squatted 2 factions and this is considering they made it so there's only 4 major factions now. It must fail really bad if they can buy models for about 4 other factions and still not be selling enough. Thank god the new GW management has a clue otherwise AoS would've been squatted as well. Much as you guys like to state otherwise that was the reality of the situation. Early AoS without points was awful and the old factions of Old Fantasy are still basically left to rot.

That's 2 races not factions. They're still listed and given points under Order and Death. The Tomb kings army is actually a Top-tournament force right now as well with Bretonnia not being too shabby either.

They most likely got rid of the models because they want to redo their designs later down the line with less historical appearance and more high fantasy/gothic.

Also, wouldn't say the old factions are left to rot since they all get at least one lore mention. It's just going to take time getting through and combining about 60 sub-factions.

Edit: Also what does this mean?

It must fail really bad if they can buy models for about 4 other factions and still not be selling enough.

What shows they're not selling enough and how does 4 factions affect that?

Baron Klatz wrote:
That's 2 races not factions. They're still listed and given points under Order and Death. The Tomb kings army is actually a Top-tournament force right now as well with Bretonnia not being too shabby either.

They most likely got rid of the models because they want to redo their designs later down the line with less historical appearance and more high fantasy/gothic.

Also, wouldn't say the old factions are left to rot since they all get at least one lore mention. It's just going to take time getting through and combining about 60 sub-factions.

Edit: Also what does this mean?

It must fail really bad if they can buy models for about 4 other factions and still not be selling enough.

What shows they're not selling enough and how does 4 factions affect that?

That's 2 WARHAMMER FANTASY factions. They are factions or at least were.

It effects it because you can buy models from a bunch of factions and mix in between factions. Multiple factions just failed outright in AoS with or without a cool unit or two (like the big statues of the tomb kings). It's a sign Kirby didn't know wtf he was doing.

Also yeah they were left to rot or at least mostly with Kirby hence the attention to mostly sigmarines during his time. Also they're re-doing the factions in the way of the 2 dwarf factions and the wood elves. The factions as we knew them are dead never to return. God GW hates WHF players. I've never seen a company hate a portion of its fanbase more than GW as well as just being awful to the fans in general. Been on the fence with wanting to leave GW since Fantasy died. I just have nowhere closer game stores than GW right now otherwise i'd just go anywhere else.

They are factions or at least were. 

Still are. They have points and are in the AoS app. They even have expies in the fluff as descendant factions, the kingdom of Volpone and Obsidian Monarchy.

Multiple factions just failed outright in AoS with or without a cool unit or two (like the big statues of the tomb kings). 

The Bonesplittaz would like a word with you. (in fact I think AoS is much better than wfb when it comes to regular army viability post-6th edition. )

Also yeah they were left to rot or at least mostly with Kirby hence the attention to mostly sigmarines during his time. 

Eh, I kinda agree there but they still had to flesh out the Stormcast army. Be kinda a raw deal to the starter set buyers that they got a unbalanced force they couldn't build on while the chaos side had all kinds of units to add.

Also they're re-doing the factions in the way of the 2 dwarf factions and the wood elves. The factions as we knew them are dead never to return. 

AoS was in the planning stages around 2011-2012. Things like demigryph knights, iron breakers and sky-cutters were planned to carry over into AoS from 8th.

So don't worry, Dispossessed dwarfs are staying as are the Wanderer wood elves.

 God GW hates WHF players. 

Edit: I Can't blame em'.

I just have nowhere closer game stores than GW right now otherwise i'd just go anywhere else.

I do feel for you on that part. No hobbyist should be forced into a corner like that.

I can blame them a lot for hating WFB players. We spent a lot of money and time and were promised good things only to be bait and switched after End Times. It was the crappiest thing a game company's ever done to me and i spent like at least a thousand on the game.

I should've put an I in that comment. I definitely know you can blame them.

I spent well over a thousand(and happily continue) since 2010 on everything from cases and shelves full of Bretonnians and Empire to rpg supplements with expensive shipping that costed up to $120.00. Would've happily got the End Times stuff too if my stores were carrying it at the time of my rare visits during those times.

I gladly transferred over to AoS as it's another fun game within the warhammer universe and I can enjoy the rare bout of 8th as well. I always thought that was the beauty of models over videogames, you get to choose the game you play and your models are accepted everywhere.

Anyway, waaay off-topic here.

Back on topic, do we think we won't have any order faction in the last installment?

All I can think of is dogs of war to make use of the Ogres in the third part of the old world.

Baron Klatz wrote:
That's 2 races not factions. They're still listed and given points under Order and Death. The Tomb kings army is actually a Top-tournament force right now as well with Bretonnia not being too shabby either.

They most likely got rid of the models because they want to redo their designs later down the line with less historical appearance and more high fantasy/gothic.

Well, first off, anyone who looks at gothic as inspiration for Tomb Kings is being stupid. That completely defeats the purpose of them being the Tomb Kings.

But having said that...

GW's actions during the life of WHFB suggests that the problem isn't "We want to redo the models". In fact, Tomb Kings had just had a very big overhaul, and the range had a number of impressive models in it (including quite a few new ones). But keep in mind that both armies were infamous for the ridiculously long amount of time that was spent waiting for a new army book to be released. When Tomb Kings finally got a new army book in 8th Edition, it was the army that had gone the longest without a new book at that point. And the Brettonians never did get a new army book. That suggests that GW just isn't interested in the two factions for some reason. Either the sales weren't as good as GW had hoped, or no one at GW really likes either army.

Personally, I suspect that it was a combination of both.

Back on topic, do we think we won't have any order faction in the last installment?

The word thus far has been that the third game will focus on Chaos - possibly the heretofore ignored southern polar gate. I expect that the various armies off the eastern edge of the first game's map will trickle in as DLC and FLC. And to be frank, there isn't really that much content off the eastern edge of the map. As such, it would be difficult to justify the cost of a stand alone game that focused just on that region.

Hey guys, can we quit all of this talk about the decline of the Tabletop WHFB and/or AOS stuff? It's going nowhere, and there are plenty of threads where this subject comes up.


On topic, I suspect that we will see Tomb kings as the preorder bonus for TW2, which will be great. I am looking forward to them.

I am also eager to see all the beasties the Dark Elves will be bringing in the initial offering.

 Ashenwyte wrote:

Interesting blog, but I kept getting distracted by the background pictures. Where did Total War film this? Have they some secret bunker where they bought all of GWs outstanding Warhammer stock or something? Made me very happy and very sad to watch the video.

As for AoS being put into a Total War game. IIRC the developers have already said this series won't touch things after the End Times. AoS also doesn't fit the theme very well because Total War is designed for a rank and file whereas AoS is more Skirmish. I'm more inclined to think that a DoW clone is more likely for AoS than a Total War game.

The word thus far has been that the third game will focus on Chaos - possibly the heretofore ignored southern polar gate. I expect that the various armies off the eastern edge of the first game's map will trickle in as DLC and FLC. And to be frank, there isn't really that much content off the eastern edge of the map. As such, it would be difficult to justify the cost of a stand alone game that focused just on that region.

It would make sense. The armies left after Warhammer II will be mainly Ogre Kingdoms, Chaos Dwarfs, Daemons and TK (if you assume they aren't released as Warhammer II) which all could imply a campaign to the East. Otherwise we have less fleshed out areas like DoW, Nippon, Ind, Araby and Kislev that also have not really been touched. However the amount of potential DLC for Warhammer II looks quite minimal in terms of new armies.

Additionally we have yet to see any work on ship based combat (and there's plenty to base it off because of the old Man O War).

Problem with basing it off man o' war is that there's a game with that license already.

Then there's trying to balance dwarf ironclads vs human warships vs Skaven submarines, that's not even thinking about the wood elves floating branches and beastmen's narwhale.

I guess they could try the Dreadfleet approach and only allow naval battles when you have acquired a impressive flagship to lead a sea skirmish.

I find it strange that they are not mentioning skaven at all, even though they showed a rat near the end of the trailer and the steam page said it would have 4 races, why the secrecy CA ?