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From my own experience, Kanz are doing a bit better then the consensus here. Four or five points cheaper for the model itself and then make the Grotzooka Assault and I think you have a cheap, semi meaty, t5 model.

The Deff Dread needs a lot of work. It needs to be cheaper, and I am of the opinion that a dread army needs weapon options with more dice, even if they pay a little more for the gun. (A shooty dread might have three Assault 6 Big Shootas or a couple of Rokkit Racks). 100+ point model that fires two rokkitz is bad. If GW released t7 model that packs lots of dakka it might compliment the choppy dread enough to make the dread better. As it is, I don't feel like I can put a Dread with Kanz or a Naught.