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That Salamander reroll kills me all the time.

NenkotaMoon wrote:That Salamander reroll kills me all the time.

What specifically does he run. I can help for sure with a more tailored list.

In addition, how much do you object to not being WYSIWYG?

NenkotaMoon wrote:Thanks Katherine, you've been a great help. The guy Im playing is the club owner with Grey knight. Ive beaten him twice now, with 15 to 20 PL, trying to teach him to play again after a leave of absence from 40k. Problem is though outside of maybe my first against Tyranids and the two GKs I've lost every other time. Mostly against the same guy with Salamanders, beating me every time. Last time, almost quit altogether with a pure dreadnought army he had, most FW stuff. Killed only one and and wounded slightly another with Pask. My other three tanks, one the TC and a regular Russ did gak.

I'm not actually sure if you can get many FW Dreadnought into a 40PL List. Between the Relic rule and the insane cost of each, there can't be more than 1.

Nah that was a different game that was 75 PL with a different army and guy. If you've seen 1d4chan, he is one of the literal definitions to an extent. The 40 PL is just a Grey Knight player.

One of my tanks is an Warlord Sherman

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:


I'm not actually sure if you can get many FW Dreadnought into a 40PL List. Between the Relic rule and the insane cost of each, there can't be more than 1.

Actually quite a lot. There are a bunch of dreadnoughts that aren't relic, like the mortis variants or the chaplain one.

Someone suggested mixing 2 mortars with a las cannon for HWTs, does that work well?

 Binabik15 wrote:
Someone suggested mixing 2 mortars with a las cannon for HWTs, does that work well?

Haven't done that yet, but it certainly makes sense. Mortars are really cheap and can fire at different targets than the lascannon while acting as additional wounds to the lascannon.

So instead of 2 3-Mortar HWTs and 1 3-Lascannon HWT you get 3 HWTs of 2 Mortars 1 Lascannon, which makes it much harder to kill the lascannons.

I've won more games than I've lost in 8th edition and I have not used none of those three things. Instead, I've got basic stuff (infantry, basic tanks), a couple of command squads+officers and some support units (for auras/buffs/fixing tanks). Oh and our dreaded super heavy tank destroyer. That thing is brilliant.

Though I am dead set on fielding a couple Scions units. They willl be the next additions to my lists.

Edit: I mostly play against marines of different sorts. My experience is that they are surprisingly fragile for their points when you pour enough focus fire on some of their key points.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
I wish we had our larger squad sizes back :(

Really right now I got Three Russes, Two Officers, plenty of Squads with a mix of the usual special weapons, a Commissar, a Chimera, Two Mortar, Two AutoCannons, a Lascannon, and a Hvy Bolter.

I have one Sentinel in the works.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Buy those three things and stop losing?

And hear people bitch that I am OP?

Whats OP from FW? For Imperial guard?

Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

Hows so? A deepstriking Infantry squad with one special weapon? Even if they run vets or sws, its stilk only 3 weapons hitting on 4s, or 3s for vets. Bubble wrapping is one of the easiest things to do in 8th, even easier as Guard.

I dont have problems with deepstrikers with my guard lists.

 kinratha wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

Hows so? A deepstriking Infantry squad with one special weapon? Even if they run vets or sws, its stilk only 3 weapons hitting on 4s, or 3s for vets. Bubble wrapping is one of the easiest things to do in 8th, even easier as Guard.

I dont have problems with deepstrikers with my guard lists.

I think it was sws up the wazoo cheap and disposable and you can take more opening up more detachments or something like that.

that and you dont explicitly have to deep strike them first turn. so you wait for an opening and strike.

 Desubot wrote:

 kinratha wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

Hows so? A deepstriking Infantry squad with one special weapon? Even if they run vets or sws, its stilk only 3 weapons hitting on 4s, or 3s for vets. Bubble wrapping is one of the easiest things to do in 8th, even easier as Guard.

I dont have problems with deepstrikers with my guard lists.

I think it was sws up the wazoo cheap and disposable and you can take more opening up more detachments or something like that.

that and you dont explicitly have to deep strike them first turn. so you wait for an opening and strike.

Ok, so don't move up at all, or if you do advance, keep your bubblerap moving with your units, you should easily (barring terrain) keep the ememy 18" away if not more at all times from your units you're protecting. And its super easy as Guard to do that. If they shoot your bubblerap, thats great let them waste shots.

Edit: For spelling.

 kinratha wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 kinratha wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

Hows so? A deepstriking Infantry squad with one special weapon? Even if they run vets or sws, its stilk only 3 weapons hitting on 4s, or 3s for vets. Bubble wrapping is one of the easiest things to do in 8th, even easier as Guard.

I dont have problems with deepstrikers with my guard lists.

I think it was sws up the wazoo cheap and disposable and you can take more opening up more detachments or something like that.

that and you dont explicitly have to deep strike them first turn. so you wait for an opening and strike.

Ok, so don't move up at all, or if you do advance, keep your bubblerap moving with your units, you should easily (barring terrain) keep the ememy 18" away if not more at all times from your units you're protecting. And its super easy as Guard to do that. If they shoot your bubblerap, thats great let them waste shots.

Edit: For spelling.

Well yeah its clearly why most tourny winning lists is often both elysians and conscripts.

But thats not what op wants.

and besides not every situation is exactly the same. some times you have no choice but to move up, or the enemy blew a hole in the bubble wrap that lets them deep strike closer. or some other variable.

 Desubot wrote:

 kinratha wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 kinratha wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Right now from what I see, Elysians. They do the job of Scions but for cheaper.

Hows so? A deepstriking Infantry squad with one special weapon? Even if they run vets or sws, its stilk only 3 weapons hitting on 4s, or 3s for vets. Bubble wrapping is one of the easiest things to do in 8th, even easier as Guard.

I dont have problems with deepstrikers with my guard lists.

I think it was sws up the wazoo cheap and disposable and you can take more opening up more detachments or something like that.

that and you dont explicitly have to deep strike them first turn. so you wait for an opening and strike.

Ok, so don't move up at all, or if you do advance, keep your bubblerap moving with your units, you should easily (barring terrain) keep the ememy 18" away if not more at all times from your units you're protecting. And its super easy as Guard to do that. If they shoot your bubblerap, thats great let them waste shots.

Edit: For spelling.

Well yeah its clearly why most tourny winning lists is often both elysians and conscripts.

But thats not what op wants.

and besides not every situation is exactly the same. some times you have no choice but to move up, or the enemy blew a hole in the bubble wrap that lets them deep strike closer. or some other variable.

It just comes down to your deployment in situations like that. I guess it comes down to experiance, as a guard player, if you're shooting my bubblerap, then im happy.

You are going to have to shoot them out eventually.

Elysian Command Squads do not have the limitation of one officer per, which GW attempted to remedy with the FAQ. This is because they do not have the Command Squad keyword. They instead of the Elysian Command Squad keyword.

That means that you can have infinite units of 4 guys with special weapons deep striking where ever you want. A squad of 4 plasma elysians is 56 points. Of course, they require an officer to be worth it, so they can reroll ones.

As as added bonus (!) Elysians also still have 3 damage plasma, again because it was excluded from the FAQ for some reason.

So. For 152 points you can have 8 plasma guns (with an officer for 2 orders) that deep strike in rapid fire range that receive an order to reroll ones and do 3 damage (that's a potential of 48 damage).

nekooni wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Someone suggested mixing 2 mortars with a las cannon for HWTs, does that work well?

Haven't done that yet, but it certainly makes sense. Mortars are really cheap and can fire at different targets than the lascannon while acting as additional wounds to the lascannon.

So instead of 2 3-Mortar HWTs and 1 3-Lascannon HWT you get 3 HWTs of 2 Mortars 1 Lascannon, which makes it much harder to kill the lascannons.

I don't like it. Mortars are NLoS, and Lascannons are not.

NenkotaMoon wrote:Nah that was a different game that was 75 PL with a different army and guy. If you've seen 1d4chan, he is one of the literal definitions to an extent. The 40 PL is just a Grey Knight player.

One of my tanks is an Warlord Sherman

Having an all dreadnought army doesn't sound power-gamey at all. Actually, it sounds pretty fun to play against.

If you're having trouble with it, load up with S8 antitank, since they're mostly T7. Leviathans are the really scary ones, and they can't bring more than 2 of those.

He is primarily that in... well... other ways....