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craftworld_uk wrote:

Caederes wrote:

What you and others seem to be missing in this thread is that the Scorpion can Deep Strike thanks to a Stratagem, meaning trying to take another Super Heavy against it likely won't work because, chances are, you can't alpha strike it and it will get the first shot with its' titan-killing weapons.

There's not much you can do about that - the deep strike strategem is a problem against all Asuryani units now. If you know there's a deep striking Scorpion incoming you could keep valuable units in cover/castled up for your first turn. The model is some 10 inches long, so needs a big space to deploy.

Failing that, hope it rolls poorly on its alpha strike and be consoled in the fact it won't have an invulnerable save next turn because it didn't move.

Are there any other armies which currently have an equivalent 'interceptor' type strategem, aside from the gimped Space Marine one?

 Fafnir wrote:

Blightstar wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
5 Manticores sitting outside of LoS can take off about 15 wounds in one turn. There's really not a whole lot that the Scorpion can really do to respond to that.

EDIT: Scratch that, forgot about the -1. That's only about 10 wounds per turn. Although if you go Catachan, you could probably get a bit more bang for your buck.

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. However in my force I prefer to take Battery artillery weapons rather than the vehicle versions, and for whatever reason Forgeworld's awesome rules writing does not permit PLATFORM based manticores to shoot indirectly.

But they are allowed to fire all 4 of their missiles in same shooting phase so there is that.

Except for that rule for their missiles that explicitly says that they may only fire one missile per turn.

Yeah, the FW manticore batteries don't have that rule.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Ecdain wrote:
Maybe in wrong but I didn't think super heavies got legion/craftworld traits. So how is it -1 to hit?

Only spehss muhreens have any sort of restriction on what gets your trait. For every other faction as long as you have the appropriate <> tag it's fair game, therefore Alaitoc Scorpions, Catachan Baneblades, etc etc.

Which is super lame to be honest. Yeah the Ultramarines one would be god like, but would the rest really hurt much? Will anyone care if my Predator ignored cover?

Tanniith wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

Blightstar wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
5 Manticores sitting outside of LoS can take off about 15 wounds in one turn. There's really not a whole lot that the Scorpion can really do to respond to that.

EDIT: Scratch that, forgot about the -1. That's only about 10 wounds per turn. Although if you go Catachan, you could probably get a bit more bang for your buck.

Hmm, that's an interesting idea. However in my force I prefer to take Battery artillery weapons rather than the vehicle versions, and for whatever reason Forgeworld's awesome rules writing does not permit PLATFORM based manticores to shoot indirectly.

But they are allowed to fire all 4 of their missiles in same shooting phase so there is that.

Except for that rule for their missiles that explicitly says that they may only fire one missile per turn.

Yeah, the FW manticore batteries don't have that rule.

Huh, interesting. I had forgot about that.

craftworld_uk wrote:

Caederes wrote:

What you and others seem to be missing in this thread is that the Scorpion can Deep Strike thanks to a Stratagem, meaning trying to take another Super Heavy against it likely won't work because, chances are, you can't alpha strike it and it will get the first shot with its' titan-killing weapons.

There's not much you can do about that - the deep strike strategem is a problem against all Asuryani units now. If you know there's a deep striking Scorpion incoming you could keep valuable units in cover/castled up for your first turn. The model is some 10 inches long, so needs a big space to deploy.

Failing that, hope it rolls poorly on its alpha strike and be consoled in the fact it won't have an invulnerable save next turn because it didn't move.

Tallarn can keep a superheavy off the field with their stratagem. Play chicken with your big tanks until it's turn 4 and they're both removed from play!

Actually a sneaky tallarn shadowsword might work. It costs a lot less than the scorpion, so if both are off board the Tallarn player ought to have the advantage.

But I still think the best approach is not to play into the Scorpion's hands. It's really good at nuking a single unit each turn. The worst thing to bring against a titan killer is a titan. It will kill you - obviously!

So instead, bring a bunch of anti-tank spread around the batlefield. If it kills a 150-200 point unit and then you kill it, then all is well. The thing you must not do is give it a 4-500 point (or more) unit that has all of your anti-tank firepower. The scorpion will shoot it dead and leave you defenseless.

Mandragola wrote:
Actually a sneaky tallarn shadowsword might work. It costs a lot less than the scorpion, so if both are off board the Tallarn player ought to have the advantage.

But I still think the best approach is not to play into the Scorpion's hands. It's really good at nuking a single unit each turn. The worst thing to bring against a titan killer is a titan. It will kill you - obviously!

So instead, bring a bunch of anti-tank spread around the batlefield. If it kills a 150-200 point unit and then you kill it, then all is well. The thing you must not do is give it a 5-500 point (or more) unit that has all of your anti-tank firepower. The scorpion will shoot it dead and leave you defenseless.

Solid plan right here. Load up on Lascannon teams and use orders to help them hit. Easy peasy and no risk of losing a 500+ pt model.

Just be thankful he didn't field 3 Alaitoc Hemlocks instead.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Ecdain wrote:
Maybe in wrong but I didn't think super heavies got legion/craftworld traits. So how is it -1 to hit?

Only spehss muhreens have any sort of restriction on what gets your trait. For every other faction as long as you have the appropriate <> tag it's fair game, therefore Alaitoc Scorpions, Catachan Baneblades, etc etc.

Guard Baneblades only get it if they're in certain detachments. Superheavy Auxiliary is excluded, for instance.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Ecdain wrote:
Maybe in wrong but I didn't think super heavies got legion/craftworld traits. So how is it -1 to hit?

Only spehss muhreens have any sort of restriction on what gets your trait. For every other faction as long as you have the appropriate <> tag it's fair game, therefore Alaitoc Scorpions, Catachan Baneblades, etc etc.

Guard Baneblades only get it if they're in certain detachments. Superheavy Auxiliary is excluded, for instance.

So you form a supreme command detachment with the 3 primaris psykers you were gonna take anyways because cheap psykers are OP.

Necron Gauss Pylon seems to be a pretty good rock to the scorpion scissors.


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+1 to hit flier. Hits on 2+.
MacroD6 shots
D6+3 damage.
Str 16
AP -4
Deep strike. ..
So yeah.... thatll do

 doktor_g wrote:
Necron Gauss Pylon seems to be a pretty good rock to the scorpion scissors.


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+1 to hit flier. Hits on 2+.
MacroD6 shots
D6+3 damage.
Str 16
AP -4
Deep strike. ..
So yeah.... thatll do

Yep thatll do it alright, that gun is nasty, but only if you get first turn and the Eldar Player is dumb enough to deploy on the field as well.

If you try and deep strike that thing, the Twin Pulsars of the Scorpion say hello with Forewarned...

Don't try to kill it. Ignore it and get a comfortable lead in VP's.

The -1 to hit doesn't apply if your inside 12". If your AM it's pretty easy to drop scions, special weapons, or elysians with meltas to kill it.

Add +1 to hit with a spotlight saber.
Add a 2nd +1 to hit with overlapping fields of fire.

Infantry lascannons still hit 3/4 times with orders, or 8/9 times if they have a saber spotlight

Tank Commanders hit 35/36 times with a +2 -1

Cadians with spotlights can easily overcome a -1 to hit.

Searchlight only works for 1 friendly infantry unit.