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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/18 22:18:17
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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The only models I've ever sold were Tyranids and Orks because I don't play them/haven't had any interest in playing them except for when I first got them.
I've never sold any of my Chaos forces, I even kept my large number of Berzerkers throughout 6th and 7th because I simply love chaos and how great all their models look.
I've never sold any of my Imperial stuff either, simply because there might be a day that I need a space marine or a Comissar or whatever for a conversion project.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/18 23:30:19
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I sold a CSM army and a small SM army I had pieced together through eBay deals and trades. I just got overwhelmed with it and had lost any interest in painting it and so on, I made money on it but now I wish I had kept some of the vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 01:44:22
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Years ago, I sold my fantasy high elf army that had been in storage for about 6 years. They had been in storage because the first game i played with them i got Herohammered, and was completely disgusted with the WHFB rules.
As for Tau, i feel like the army is fine. i even just bought a SC Tau box to supplement my existing army, as a “just because” i like Tau.
I think as for people selling off, its just that the big suits aren’t (luckily) as good as they used to be. I suspect most of the people cashing in their old armies ran Riptide wings or suit-only armies - or maybe only Commanders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 01:48:19
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Stormonu wrote:Years ago, I sold my fantasy high elf army that had been in storage for about 6 years. They had been in storage because the first game i played with them i got Herohammered, and was completely disgusted with the WHFB rules.
As for Tau, i feel like the army is fine. i even just bought a SC Tau box to supplement my existing army, as a “just because” i like Tau.
I think as for people selling off, its just that the big suits aren’t (luckily) as good as they used to be. I suspect most of the people cashing in their old armies ran Riptide wings or suit-only armies - or maybe only Commanders.
The problem is that GW can not figure out how to properly balance an army that only plays in one phase of the game (Shooting). What most Tau players are upset about is the new codex seems to want you to play lots of infantry with static suits as fire support. So they want you to play like a much more fragile Imperial Guard. F that....the Tau are strike and withdraw army, not static. All they had to do to make this codex good was bring back JSJ.
To stay on topic though....I have or am in process of selling everything from Warhammer Fantasy. I have one army I am keeping and that is my completely painted Brettonian force that I painted over 15 months in Afghanistan.
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Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 02:46:05
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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I'm pretty sure given enough time, all threads turn into a public stoning of Tau players.
That being said, I don't think strictly speaking I will ever sell my army. Sure, I might downsize it but as we've seen with the change in editions and in CA updates, new units get spotlights.At the start of 8th, I never would have used a Defiler. Now after the first CA with that hilariously large point drop from both it and the codex, they're viable now. Things fluctuate, and it's just handy to have a tiny bit of everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 03:33:03
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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vaklor4 wrote:I'm pretty sure given enough time, all threads turn into a public stoning of Tau players. 
Lately, that mantle has been passed onto IG players.
When DG were released with Dark Imperium, I sold off most of my existing Chaos army - a large majority of it was Plague Marines with the FW upgrade kits. The scale just looked odd next to the new DG range so I decided to start fresh.
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"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 11:47:39
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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I sold off my Necrons because I couldn't be bothered to keep up with the 7th ed codex.
I initially didn't mind the new fluff because in the 5th-dex it came with a ton of really awesome new ways to play the necrons - cool gadget type stuff with the crypteks, customizable ctan, the death ray which was one of the most fun weapons in the game to use, spider walkers, tesla..tons of unique mechanics.
Then 7th came along and the fluff I liked was gone and the rules were blandified. That was it for me, my crons got dumped, and I don't have any desire to ever play them again.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 12:17:25
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Confessor Of Sins
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There's no army I HAD to get rid of, but some I chose to let go. ;-)
I had some Eldar back in RT days and can't actually recall why I traded them away (they're still in our group after a few more swaps) - maybe they were boring. The Orks I started after that lasted me a great many years but the time came when they only took up space and collected dust while my mate still played his. It made sense to arrange a trade, and for a whisky bottle of that quality he got the old Shokk Attack Gun too! At various points I'd also picked up odds and ends to make more armies - there was a solid Tyranid force and enough CSM to really do some damage, but lazy modeller syndrome hit me and they never advanced beyond the "opened box to look" stage (or "I'll strip the paint next week, honest" for the used ones). edit: Oh, and a Imperial Guard project ofc, just too much to finish. So they ended up getting sold to people that might use them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 12:22:33
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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BrianDavion wrote: Lance845 wrote: Vallhund wrote:I've never felt like that. Mainly because I don't care if I win, lose, or am slaughtered. I just play to have a fun time.
agreed. Also the Tau codex is good. The Tau community is a bunch of whiners.
some people just won't stick with an army unless it's the "top of the game easy mode codex" frankly I don't get why those people play 40k. it's a LOT of money to invest for an army that could be obselete by time you finish building it
Could just be an Eldar main. Because their gimik is pretty much "We min max" they are busted most editions and in most video games.
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Ultramarine 6000 : Imperial Knights 1700 : Grey Knights 1000 : Ad mech 500 :Nids 4000 : Necrons 500 : Death watch 500 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 12:48:16
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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Years ago I threw out about 2000 points of CSMs.
In hindsight - pretty flipping idiotic.
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Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 13:23:13
Subject: Re:Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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First army I got rid of:
-Biel Tan Eldar army I had finished converting 3 Falcons to Wave Serpents about a year before the Wave Serpent plastic kit came out (continued the wings to meet in the middle and a big oval gem at the bow, extended the back compartment). Got real good at doing that green with black vine work. Played for a year and gave the whole army to a cousin who was a "starving student" but was a rabid gamer. It seemed the right thing to do at the time. Felt mild regret as Eldar kept being a favored Codex... but could not bring myself to start that army again.
- Tau: When those guys first came out, I got the huge box kit for them. Put them all together, put magnets in to EVERYTHING that had choices, cleaned them real good and primed them grey. Brought the whole thing into the hobby shop to start working on painting and had a guy offer me a fair bit of money on the spot for the whole thing: he hated assembly and LOVED the magnet options. Well damn. At the time I figured it would take me quite a while to finish the army anyway, was a busy time in my life so figured why not?
So, for years now, anything I got rid of or sold I never bought that army ever again.
As well as being the two arguably best armies in 40k for a while now to boot.
Not sure why, but I think it is because if I saw fit to get rid of it, why waste the money to build it up all over again?
I have always had the theme of Imperium of man against Chaos.
Orks, Eldar, Tyrannid, Tau and Necron do not fit in that narrative/focus so it has allowed me to give all those armies a pass since i dropped those initial two.
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 13:30:44
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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I haven't sold any armies, but I should.
I really should...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 13:42:06
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have sold about 3k worth of marines (custom chapter) and about twice that in fantasy beast men and chaos warriors. Still got some left over.
The first got boring to play as well as oversaturated in our area. I did not want to play the most prevalent army anymore.
The fantasy stuff I sold because they lacked the flexibility of the concept called "shooting phase" you may have heard of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 13:54:34
Subject: Re:Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I ended up selling off stormclaw, I sold off the nurgle side of Dark Imperium, I'm trying to sell off some orks and Dark Vengeance.
TBH I'm thinking of selling off my guard army. They may have been my inroad to the hobby, and I may love Creed, but they haven't seen the light of day in about a year now, I didn't pick up the index or the codex and I have no intentions to. I'm much more emotionally invested in my Tau and Raptors armies. Maybe in the future I might start a new guard army, but for now it might be time to clear them out and put the money back into my planned new farsight army. I also have to decide what my previously sa'cea army should now be, since their sept bonuses are awful.
Edit: I also have a bunch of fantasy night goblins lying around, and a lot of unpainted dwarves. Might be time to sell them on as well. I'd never sell the painted dwarves though. They shall forever remain square based and unused, as a memory of WHFB.
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iGuy91 wrote:You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote:You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures... 
the_scotsman wrote:Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 14:06:34
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Back in 4th/5th edition I sold my first Necron army. I was a newer player then and kept getting overly frustrated at losing. Scratch that, losing wasn't the problem, consistently having my opponents tell me to just pick up my models without even being able to play was the problem. I got better and by 6th ed I had a decent tourney level Necron list. Night scythes and Wraith spam, mostly. But the army that I absolutely HAD to get rid of was my first ever 40K army: 'Nids. I had collected over 6,000pts of 'Nids and was living on my own for the first time. I needed rent, so I had no choice but to sell them. Dark times. I attempted Nids years later, but it just wasn't the same. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 19:18:59
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Dipping With Wood Stain
Sheep Loveland
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I'm going to sell my Armageddon Steel Legion army after using them for a tournament in May.
Its "only" 1,075pts all in, but its turning into a major money sink that I really cannot afford. I really love the legion, and I but with money being tight I'll stick to low model count armies and ones that I can dual use, such as custodes for 30k/40k to help my money go further.
I know of several AM platers in my area, so I'll try to offload them to people I know rather than random.
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40k: Thousand Sons World Eaters
30k: Imperial Fists 405th Company |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 19:25:05
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I only sell of armys i get frustrated trying to finish. like 3k worth of space marines is gone oh 4k worth of guard too and now i got a handful of sisters to get rid of.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 20:15:25
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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The only 40k army I got rid of was my 1k son's way back when. I got an offer from a random dude to buy it, the amount was good so I took it.
I've also sold off all my Daemons back in 5th when they split the two codexes up and made chaos garbage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 20:16:27
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Fixture of Dakka
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I sold a small Ork Kill Team because I could trade it for a Knight and was never going to get around to painting it. I had fancied some Harlequins at one point and got them in the Death Masque box set, but ultimately decided 8th edition would be rewarding enough sticking to armies I could tiptoe in via the Imperium keyword.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 21:14:21
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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I had to sell my Sisters of Battle. Not for power level, but I needed Rent money and they paid for that month.
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Black Templars 4000 Deathwatch 6000
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 22:29:16
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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I've had to get rid of armies...to survive financially. For the past few years I've been stuck in the JSA hell that the UK has - as such I've had to sell things to just make ends meet. Now that I'm working full time again I can start to build things up again with any luck.
So let's list the casualties.
- My first Death Guard army - RIP all those metal 2nd ed Plague Marines. Easily 3.5k points worth.
- My Tyranids - including 3 Hierodules, 6 Hive Tyrants and 18 Carnifexes. 12k points worth.
- My Extinction Angels Renegade CSM. 4 and a half companies worth of CSM. No idea on points. But every squad had unique members, loads of 2nd ed metals and mixed kits. God I miss that army.
- My Eldar/Dark Eldar - 2k points of Dark Eldar, 4k points of Eldar.
- My Flesh Tearers - 2.5k points worth - all jump army.
- My Deathwatch - 3k points worth. Bought for 8th, sold to pay a few bills and a gas meter :(
It helps that I've narrowed my armies down...
And my next plans are Dark Mechanicus - using Ad-Mech rules - I'm keeping a theme now at least but I miss all the others really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/19 22:39:56
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I sold most of my Space Wolves (~3k points or so) back in the day, but it was because I simply wasn't playing much 40k anymore. World of Warcraft came out and that was much more interesting to high school me.
But selling an army because I didn't like rules? Nah, that isn't really a thing I'd do. I'm more likely to optimize the hell out of bad army and play that for fun.
I will say, though, that the direction of the Space Wolves since I quit 40k is something I don't really like. We've gone all wolf wolf in the past decade or so, and that's definitely dampened my enthusiasm to keep on collecting more of that army. I don't think I'll actually sell what I've still got, but I'm definitely focusing on my other interests these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 00:15:43
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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It wasn't after an edition change and a codex that was lacklustre. It was after I stopped playing in 6th ed and realised that I didn't really need that 12000 pt of space marines anymore. I gave 40k 25 years of my life and it was time for a change.
Didn't sell it as a lot, though. Kept a few vehicles and units that I liked and got rid of the egregious duplicates. Drop pods, tanks, a few of the land raiders and rhinos (it did have 15 rhinos and drop pods - it was a full reinforced company).
Downsized the eldar army, too (my first army, going back to RT), guardians, old aspect sculpts, some war walkers and dreads to people who wanted 2nd ed army stuff (oldhammer got a resurgence here when 7th ed dropped).
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 01:59:50
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I once started collecting a small dark elf army but sold it off as I realized I didn't like the aesthetic of many of the units, or the playstyle of the army as a whole. Killed my enthusiasm for the army so I just offloaded what little I had (a little over 500 points, so not that much).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 03:31:51
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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These are all good answers.
Seems like new army purchases, rent, and lack of enthusiasm are the top reasons for selling an army. Only a few people said they didn't like the rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 03:36:18
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Not 40k, but when WFB was blown up and retconned into AOS, I sold off my Dark Elf, Vampire Counts and Ogres - combined would have been at least 15k points.
I played WFB for the regiment style game and didn't like the skirmish it had become - that's more suited for 40k IMO.
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"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 07:02:31
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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NurglesR0T wrote:Not 40k, but when WFB was blown up and retconned into AOS, I sold off my Dark Elf, Vampire Counts and Ogres - combined would have been at least 15k points.
I played WFB for the regiment style game and didn't like the skirmish it had become - that's more suited for 40k IMO.
My Lizardmen and Dark Elves were also sold off for the same reason. - 9k points between them. I much preferred WFB for that style - regiments, actual solid positioning making a different, the fact that getting behind lines could be hard but was oh so very rewarding when you did or if you managed to roll up a flank and break it.
Debating looking into AoS but it still stings - I still have memories of those big block regiments and having to position things correctly for things like LoS, which arc received charges and so on...instead of the new LOLS 360 DEGREES FOR EVERYONE approach...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 07:15:42
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Few years ago my shed was broken into and everything was stolen (bar my world eaters heresy army that was indoors), it was heartbreaking, 25 years worth of models, infinity army, dwarf fantasy army, my fellblade... all in all about £5k worth of stuff.
I then posted on the GW website and a few others that my stuff had been nicked and asked if people can look out for it on trading sites, that's when GW contacted me, they asked for a crime number and some pics, so I sent them, I then went away on excercise and when I came back I have a very large package waiting for me, GW had sent me 2x betrayed at calth sets, chaos dwarf wizard thingy, Lt Ed praetor with spear, fires of Cyraxus mug, tau data stick and more
Crack on another week and another package arrives, a ravenwing army, I was totally gobsmacked, but there is more, I found out who had organised it for me and was going on EX to Nottingham for a few days, so I went to warhammer world to speak with her, thanked her and she asked me
"Is there anything in particular that you lost that you really miss"
I said
"For my birthday when I was a kid my brother got me a screamer killer, I still had it and he has since died, it was packed away in a box to keep safe as it reminds me of him"
Ok she says.
Few weeks later I receive a hand written letter with a newly cast screamer killer, in its original box still wrapped up.
Since then I ONLY buy from GW stores, discount be damned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 08:10:31
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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techsoldaten wrote:So... the new Tau Codex is about to hit, and I'm seeing a lot of Tau armies on eBay / various trade forums at reasonable prices. It feels like some people have decided to give up.
This brought to mind the 6th edition Ork Codex. After it came out, I was able to purchase a ridiculous number of Orks from people who felt like it wasn't worth it waiting for a new Codex.
Have you ever been at the point where you felt it was time to give up on an army? Where it wasn't worth the shelf space and now you just had to sell it?
Would love to understand why this happens a little better. I know some people do it for financial reasons, or because they just don't play the game anymore. I'm more interested in hearing from active players about their reasons. It just seems so strange to put all that work into something and decide it's no longer useful.
Well, it happens with every Codex (irrespective of quality).
If you're leaving the hobby and/or want to get rid of an army, it usually pays to wait until there is a new Codex and the interest for the army is there (though that interest might be even higher, if the Codex looks like a competitive winner and people want to quickly stock up on the respective models for the next tournament).
If you're no longer interested in .. say .. your Dark Eldar army (or possibly quitting 40K and thus want to get rid of your Dark Eldar army), you'll get a lot more for it if you wait for the Dark Eldar Codex release before ebaying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/03/20 08:13:45
Subject: Army You Had to Get Rid Of
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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SickSix wrote:I sold my 3rd/4th edition Tau army during 6th edition becuase I hated the Rock'em Sock'em Robot theme the army took. I did keep my Kroot though.
Hear hear. The real death blow for Tau was the 6th edition Codex. Before that, Tau was the "smart" army, after that it was "roll buckets of dice/mecha stompy spam" -parody of itself.
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Mr Vetock, give back my Multi-tracker! |
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