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 Grimtuff wrote:
Go with Vallejo for the bulk, but I pick and choose other ranges for other stuff. Citadel does great metallics, one thing I cannot fault them on. Every other brand has been runny or just gak, not so with Citadel metallics.

Reaper has some great metallics - huge range of colors and their gunmetals are awesome.

Honestly I think people who talk about how much better quality Vallejo paint are, are full of gak. It's all in their heads based on brand loyalty. The paint itself is the exact same quality, Vallejo just has less color selection (unless you count the 200 shades of dark green and brown), lack of technicals, far less wash variety (again only greens and browns.) That being said, the bottles they come in are so superior to citadels pots that get gunk on the rim and won't close and aren't droppers, that even with the vastly reduced color options I wish I'd started with Vallejo instead of citadel. The bottles are that much more convenient.

Danny slag wrote:
Honestly I think people who talk about how much better quality Vallejo paint are, are full of gak. It's all in their heads based on brand loyalty. The paint itself is the exact same quality, Vallejo just has less color selection (unless you count the 200 shades of dark green and brown), lack of technicals, far less wash variety (again only greens and browns.) That being said, the bottles they come in are so superior to citadels pots that get gunk on the rim and won't close and aren't droppers, that even with the vastly reduced color options I wish I'd started with Vallejo instead of citadel. The bottles are that much more convenient.

The Model Color/Model Air lines were designed for historical hobbyist so therefore have numerous shades of greens and browns that were used in real life. The Game Color/Game Air lines were designed for the sci-fi/fantasy gamer and had equivalents to most of GW's previous paint line and includes green, blue and red washes. They also have a Special Effects Set which matches a large portion of GW's Technicals and Diorama Effects that can be used for basing.

Plus inks, weathering products and the new range with a palette especially for Gundam.

Seldom have I read something on Dakka so ill informed that could so easily be corrected with 5 minutes spent on any number of stocking websites comparing the ranges.

There's no brand loyalty here either, I buy what suits best or offers the best value, in that order, and my paint racks contain about four or five different brands of paint and other related materials.

Vallejo makes a real solid line of paints. Like others said, try the "Game Color" line instead of the "Model Color" if you're looking for more fantastical colors. That said, there's lots of great options out there. Reaper's White Leather is my go-to white. PP has some really great colors etc..

I've heard a lot of people online complain about Vallejo's Game Color line having more quality control (consistency, separation, etc.) issues than their Model Color line. Any truth to that?

Relatively new to painting so I don't know about paint quality, but I never had an issue with Citadel paints. However, Vallejo's dropper bottles are so convenient that I have to give them the vote. They're also $1 cheaper than Citadel brands which sounds laughable, but that really does count for something.

 Kelligula wrote:
Relatively new to painting so I don't know about paint quality, but I never had an issue with Citadel paints. However, Vallejo's dropper bottles are so convenient that I have to give them the vote. They're also $1 cheaper than Citadel brands which sounds laughable, but that really does count for something.

I think for most of us the issue with Citadel is nothing to do with the paint itself, it's the pot design and the price. I'll still happily pick up Citadel technicals or other useful paint types that the other brands don't do (or do somewhat differently). The price difference really isn't laughable when you start buying lots of paints, not to mention getting more paint in the bottle so you replace them less often. Adds up quicker than you'd think!

I have switched from Winsor & Newton Series 7 to Pro Arte Renaissance sable brushes. I love 'em.

They are about half the price of the Series 7 and keep their points really, really well. But perhaps my favourite thing about them is that the bristles are much longer. I find this suits my paint style better and, an added bonus, paint never gets anywhere near the ferrule.

They are well worth trying.

 meleti wrote:
I've heard a lot of people online complain about Vallejo's Game Color line having more quality control (consistency, separation, etc.) issues than their Model Color line. Any truth to that?

I have a few Game color with pretty bad coverage and/or runny texture, while most my model colors are great. I don't know if it has to do with the bottle or the color itself. I'm also not a big fan of the Game metallics, especially when compared to the other Vallejo ranges.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Plus inks, weathering products and the new range with a palette especially for Gundam.

Seldom have I read something on Dakka so ill informed that could so easily be corrected with 5 minutes spent on any number of stocking websites comparing the ranges.

There's no brand loyalty here either, I buy what suits best or offers the best value, in that order, and my paint racks contain about four or five different brands of paint and other related materials.

Try being less wrong then because there is still far less shades in the game series than citadel. Having one or two shades of red is not the same selection as citidel having 9 different reds for example. I'm sorry I offended your brand loyalty.
Like I said I prefer Vallejo, but if you're honest they have less variety outside greens and browns.

Vallejo consist of multiple lines. Between just the Game Color and Model Color lines they have close to twenty different reds.

You're being disingenuous by focusing on the Game Colour series in isolation. That's like talking about Citadel Layers in isolation, in which case GW only have 3 reds.

Besides which, the Game Colour range has 4 reds, 5 if you include Game Colour Opaques.
Bloody Red, Gory Red, Scarlett Red, Terracota and Heavy Red.

GW only has 9 if you count the dry paints and technicals (Spiritstone, Blood For The Blood God).

I make it 15 reds for Vallejo just between bog standard Game and Model colour, there's a few more unique ones in the model air line and probably in panzer aces too, I can't be bothered to check.

50 paints for $50 more or less from Army Painter sets. Love em!

 sockwithaticket wrote:
You're being disingenuous by focusing on the Game Colour series in isolation. That's like talking about Citadel Layers in isolation, in which case GW only have 3 reds.

Besides which, the Game Colour range has 4 reds, 5 if you include Game Colour Opaques.
Bloody Red, Gory Red, Scarlett Red, Terracota and Heavy Red.

GW only has 9 if you count the dry paints and technicals (Spiritstone, Blood For The Blood God).

I make it 15 reds for Vallejo just between bog standard Game and Model colour, there's a few more unique ones in the model air line and probably in panzer aces too, I can't be bothered to check.

Game Color is formulated with "a lower viscosity than Model Color and a resin more resistant to frequent handling[1]" so it's fair game to consider them in isolation, imo. It's a different paint formulation than Model Color. As far as I know the differences in the Citadel line between Base and Layer paints isn't as large as Vallejo's formulation difference, although that might be the case! I'm always interested in learning more about paints.

And GW's Base and Layer paints have different formulations as well, so we should be considering them in isolation as well.

The fact is the only criteria for the paint to be considered is that it was red. Formulation has nothing to do with it.

 Ghaz wrote:
And GW's Base and Layer paints have different formulations as well, so we should be considering them in isolation as well.

The fact is the only criteria for the paint to be considered is that it was red. Formulation has nothing to do with it.

I knew the pigment size was different, didn't know if there was a difference in the vinyl/resin/whatever used in the paint.

And as I stated, formulation means nothing. The only consideration in the discussion is that it's a red paint made by Vallejo.

 Ghaz wrote:
And as I stated, formulation means nothing. The only consideration in the discussion is that it's a red paint made by Vallejo.

My post, earlier in the thread, was more about the formulation than shades of red:

 meleti wrote:
I've heard a lot of people online complain about Vallejo's Game Color line having more quality control (consistency, separation, etc.) issues than their Model Color line. Any truth to that?

Which is what I was getting at. Not sure where the shades of red discussion started (wasn't the OP asking either) but it wasn't what I was interested in really. I just wanted to talk non-Citadel paint, Game Color specifically.

Read the post that you quoted. It's all about whether Citadel or Vallejo has more shades of red and nothing to do with paint formulations.

 Ghaz wrote:
Read the post that you quoted. It's all about whether Citadel or Vallejo has more shades of red and nothing to do with paint formulations.

Ok. I'd misinterpreted who he'd called disingenuous for bringing up Game Color "in isolation" if that's the case.

has anyone ever used the color shift paints from greenstuffworld? im wondering how the emerald getaway would look on orks