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 Xenomancers wrote:

4++ save is needed - any modle over 250 points that doesn't have an invo save is criminally stupid. There are some forge world land raiders that have them + some other bonus rules like being able to shoot while in CC. Those land raiders don't suck.

Yea, but you'll inevitably pay more for it. The Achilles is +31 base and loses 4 transport spots for it.

Marines are super cheap on ebay. It's the one army where you can almost always find a deal. Start watching prices and grab what you want off there when you see a good deal.

Bharring wrote:
I think the Primaris loadouts are gakky, and don't feel like Marines at all.

This. When I first started muling all this over I thought "Well, just go with all Primaris models" but their weapons loadout just doesn't make any sense. It's like they made them different just for the sake of being different.