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**Kharneth**

Elbows wrote:
The Hemlock is pretty much incredible.

1) It's a flyer, thus hard to hit...that's always good (and when you make it Alaitoc that's -2...)
2) It can go anywhere on the board in one movement phase.
3) It has 16" weapons which are extremely strong and automatically hit (any time you remove shooting as an issue for a unit this is massive)
4) It ignores wounds on a 6+ making it surprisingly durable for a fighter.
5) It can cast Smite or other powers, and can attempt to deny enemy psykers.
6) It applies a -2 Leadership penalty to units within 12" meaning they will suffer more from Morale tests (losing more models)
7) It's weapons are also friggin' Strength 12 and -4...meaning they'll zip through most things which don't have access to an invulnerable save.
8) All of this for something which costs about 20 points more than a Wraithlord...

Yes it's guns will "only" do max 12 damage (D3x2 per gun), but these are very easy to accomplish, you'll increase the damage a unit takes from Morale that turn - and you may hit them with Smite at the same time...it's an exceptionally strong option for the point cost. God help you if you were to run three of them together across the board. I don't even own one, but yeah it's damn good.

1) With 16" ranged weapons and a minimum of 20" movement, the Alaitoc buff is only going to apply to some of the enemy units. I'm not sure how reliable that Alaitoc buff is going to be.
6) That's all right if/when it matters. It won't help if the enemy has horde shenanigans like Orks and Nids or if they're small, 5-man units. Also won't affect vehicles, which is what I'm seeing as this thing's main targets.
7) Strength 12 might as well be strength 9. It'll have an advantage on the odd t5/6 vehicles.
8) Wraithlords are 130-140 points and the Hemlock is 210.

When I originally posted I did not realized it had 2 guns. 2d3 strength 12 -4ap 2 damage shots is nice. I think it'd be very good with Horrify and with Mind War on a Farseer, but I probably would play it with Jinx to negate invul saves or something.

It's definitely a better investment than a Crimson Hunter? I'd like to get a single flyer at some point (never used one), but I thought the cheaper Crimson Hunter would make for a fine tank hunter. The Hemlock certainly seems versatile, though, and I love psychic powers.

**Elbows**

Hey man, if you think the Crimson Hunter is better, go with it. I definitely don't see it like that - but I'm not playing your games for you.

**HuskyWarhammer**

Asking "which is better" is a difficult question because of the varied definitions of better. There's a difference between a better all-around unit versus a dedicated tank hunter. It seems like you keep asking questions but already have answers in mind that you want to hear.

(Also, you definitely need to factor in the rending for the warp spiders - it plays a big role against targets, especially MEQ and up)

**ryzouken**

Something else for the Hemlock: it only loses speed when its statline degrades. It otherwise operates the same until it gets destroyed. Means you can absorb fire with it and only care when it loses its last wound.

**Kharneth**

Elbows wrote:
Hey man, if you think the Crimson Hunter is better, go with it. I definitely don't see it like that - but I'm not playing your games for you.

I promise I have no idea which one is better, that's exactly why I'm asking. How would you use a Hemlock and what battle rune would you give it? I'm not sure I want a Crimson Hunter anyway, it seems expensive for 4+ to hit bright lances.

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HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Asking "which is better" is a difficult question because of the varied definitions of better. There's a difference between a better all-around unit versus a dedicated tank hunter. It seems like you keep asking questions but already have answers in mind that you want to hear.

(Also, you definitely need to factor in the rending for the warp spiders - it plays a big role against targets, especially MEQ and up)

Is the Hemlock reliable for hunting tanks?