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The FW price fiasco and the SoB absence from Kill Team have killed future purchases from me. No $$$ from me for either GW or FW until the USA pricing reflects the current exchange rate.

feth you, GW.

Anyone else finding they're turning down this month's offerings because there's coming better coming down the pike?

Nope. If I want it, and think it's worth it, I'll get it. I'm happy to have this months good AND next month's better.

Also, not unrelated, does anyone else feel like GW is flooding the market with products to crowd out anyone else?

If they are, it's an expensive high risk strategy....

Only thing I know is the GW has released so much I can't keep up with the stuff I want. I mean I JUST got Shadespire and the next box set it set to be released soon.

Man I wonder if I'll manage to get this stuff painted...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s mostly LARP doing that for me.

Last even I needed a new skidlid, gloves and a warm robe, because god awful weather on the Sunday. That added up to £200, on top of petrol and ticket price.

And my new money spinner idea will require a £500 tent, four chairs, eight buckets, bluroll and some means of reliably heating water, on demand.

All comes out the same hobby budget. But it must be done, for I shall buy ALL THE MING.

I have no idea what any of that means.

 kronk wrote:
The FW price fiasco and the SoB absence from Kill Team have killed future purchases from me. No $$$ from me for either GW or FW until the USA pricing reflects the current exchange rate.

feth you, GW.

I think they literally confirmed that a sisters kill team will come out alongside the army, thought this was said at the seminar at nova. There is no point in them making a sob kill team now before they even get their revised 40k rules and plastic battle sisters kit. Their kill team will also likely include the little dumb booklet along with it, along with the cardstock tokens/dice.

Yes. With a bit of "wait for the SC or bundle featuring it" thrown in.

Orks coming literally made me decide not to buy Togue Trader for now, the price on individual DoK kits and Idoneth has me waiting for SCs before I decide whether or not to get some as allies and moving Maggot Riders to direct only made me not buy them for my Nurgle armies - unless they get stuffed into a SC for Maggotkin/Rotbringers. The promise of more Moonclan or Darkoath stuff saw me buy just enough Nighthaunt to run a 1000 points list so I can have multiple small armies with upcoming stuff.

And since we're adding what else stole our hobby money this month, I bits bought a Maw Krusha and Horticulois for cheap-ish (because I alway shy away from getting Blight Wars), I spotted a Bretonia force I want to buy second-hand and I need another Nerf so my GF won't feel bad for shooting me while unarmed anymore.

The fact that I convert more than I build and each mini usually has 5 or more different kits in it and that takes foreeeever doesn't help.

The full-auto releases are probably being done on purpose in order to rapidly drive sales and bring stock prices up. Even though over 2/3 of the releases since January don't really apply to me, I'm still just plain exhausted by how much crap has been revealed.


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stroller wrote:
Anyone else finding they're turning down this month's offerings because there's coming better coming down the pike?

Nope. If I want it, and think it's worth it, I'll get it. I'm happy to have this months good AND next month's better.

Also, not unrelated, does anyone else feel like GW is flooding the market with products to crowd out anyone else?

If they are, it's an expensive high risk strategy....

Absolutely. I've always wanted a Chaos Legion. With the rumors abound at new Chosen, Terminators and Abbadon, and now with a confirmation of new CSM marines, I'm eagerly awaiting Christmas time!

Yes and no, for me. I definitely had a few FOMO paralysed moments with all the new specialist games, but I think now that I'm used to GWs new release schedule for fancy newness, I'm less likely to get swept away in a wave of hype for everything new and can focus on what it is that I'm actually excited about.

Most recently, I passed on Titanicus because at the time, I couldn't see myself getting into a whole new system with a whole bunch of new terrain specific to that system. I passed on Kill Team because a friend of mine bought it anyway, and I really don't need any more 40K scenery in the short term. I passed on a bunch of hype new AoS releases because I'm ultimately rather happy with my Maggotkin army as it is.

What have I done? Well, I've made some tweaks and additions to my Maggotkin to fit better in AoS2. I took my time and did a Blood Bowl team like I really wanted, with a paint job I'm proud of and unique conversions, enough models for expansion, subs, star players, etc. I went through a phase of rapid expansion for my Horus Heresy Space Wolves including building and painting a Warhound Titan. Most recently, I just finished up an Armies on Parade board for my Maggotkin and I'm now starting to slowly build up a Rivendell Elves army for the Middle-earth strategy battle game, because that's the faction I really wanted to play rather than settling for new fanciness in the new boxed game because savinnnggzz - and because I didn't dive headfirst into Titanicus, my schedule is clear enough that I could start working on my High Elves in time to coincide with the new Middle-earth SBG release.

My point is that there's still an absolute crap-ton of things in the back catalogue that GW have produced that I've wanted to engage with, and trying to stay on top of the latest new hype just exhausted me and I never really felt fulfilled. It's a lot easier to take a step back, look at the whole catalogue, and decide what it is you really like and want to engage with, rather than trying to stay current with the new shiny. Things like The Horus Heresy winding down in popularity aren't enough to put me off - there's still games available at bi-annual events where I'm from, and that's enough for me, and building up my forces for that has been a lot more exciting to me in the long term than trying to pursue the latest competitive or shiny releases for 40K, despite how much easier is it for me to get games of 8th. Hype comes and goes, and your favourite system and mini ranges will ebb and flow, but as long as you can find something that you like and stick with it in the face of shiny new releases, you'll keep having fun and you'll avoid that hobby regret.

I have decreased my purchasing significantly (almost to near zero) because of the 'rolling thunder' release schedule.

Because of the extremely high rate of releases I have passed on Necromunda, AoS 2, Kill Team, Adeptus Titanicus and decided not to get the W40K Tooth & Claw box. All things that I would have otherwise purchased. It's too much too quickly; and it's not that it's a monetary issue, it's that there's no time to breath, no time to assemble & paint or even enjoy the last purchase before it's on to something new.

What is even more unfortunate is that I have dropped out of playing AoS entirely because I cannot keep up with both AoS and W40K. I have also decided to abandon some older projects and decided to no longer take on new ones using "older" product just so I can focus on newer, more relevant product & projects.

It's seriously unfortunate and has even raised question of my degree of continuation in the hobby.

It's a lot like Marvel comics for me, no matter how much I like the X-Men (or Wolverine, or Deadpool, or the Avengers) once there's a half dozen books coming out every month it's easier to just stop than to keep up.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
...it's easier to just stop than to keep up.

Truth!

I have the money to buy them but not the space :(

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So I didn't get the new super knight with nipple guns because Titanicus was coming.
I didn't get Titanicus because Rogue Trader Kill Team is coming.
I won't get RT KT because Blackstone is coming...




Anyone else finding they're turning down this month's offerings because there's coming better coming down the pike?

Also, not unrelated, does anyone else feel like GW is flooding the market with products to crowd out anyone else?

I don't know how anyone can keep up with the flood of new games and lines.

My humble point of view is that if you have a conception that a budget is limited then you are no longer the target of GW sales!
Again, with no evidence to substain my idea, I think that GW is targeting teenagers and so their parent's and family's wallets, so it doesn't matter if your communication strategy shadowed a cool thing by another cool things because your target client is impulsive and could have it all if he/she ask parents/relatives/santa/anniversary/namesday/any good excuses to get a mini !

Then with age come wisdom, or rationality so you can planed your expenses. Or not.
Because like MtG, it seems like previous players of the good all time 20-30 years ago with a big wallet are good target as well.

I think their communication is very good, at least if you don't agree with me, it is better than the previous no communication at all.

How i decided to buy or not buy GW last games
Kill Team: -> yep I have already a lot of ruins painted or to be painted and it do not have new minis, The rules are may be cool but I don't play often. So skip
Titanicus -> yeah Epic! But another scale means needs building and scenaries to the scale. Only Imperium or imperium + spikes. Limited range of minis and honestly too expensive for another game that I will not play that often ->skip
Rogue trader -> that an awfull lot of cool minis. I will take the rogue traders and sale the chaos. -> Christmas list
Shadespire -> good rules, fast to play and cool minis , a lot of players nearby-> christmas list
Necromunda/Bloodbowl: cool minis but another games with a lot to buy to be able to play, -> Skip the game, I bought some minis second hands

If I could be sure that the new stuff I wanted would still be around by the time I have enough money to buy it all, then it would not be so bad.

They have already been cutting ranges due to lack of space and production time, I always wonder how long any of it will last.

 KTG17 wrote:
I have the Citadel painting app for my phone and guess what? There aren't any regular marines in it. Just the Primaris. Guess the writing is on the wall.

I think you're lost. "Primaris bashing and FUD spread" thread is the other way...

Also, yeah, black paint you need to paint Primaris is totally different from black paint you need to paint Squatmaris

Also also, I like how Primaris FUD is completely wrong like usual, last time I checked "Death Company SM", "Deathwing Terminator", "GK Paladin", "Ravenwing Biker", "Sanguinary Guard" and a few more others were "regular marines" but what do I know, maybe GW swapped them while I wasn't looking

 CragHack wrote:

Custodes? Compared to FW Custodes? Really?

But FW Custodes are utter garbage compared to plastics?

Well, unless someone likes an orangutan in scratched, dirty brass armour with random crows and gorilla arm nailed on outside as a topping...

Nah. It lets me plan my major purchases that's for sure - I see orks coming down the line, I sve up money and I will most likely spend more on those orks when they do come than I would have on the impulse buys I would have got had I not known orks were coming.

advance warning to your customers when your business model is 150$ boxes is a very good thing. Now instead of getting like 1 kit of buggies because I only have 60$ to spend, I have 200+$ set aside in the "ork fund' and I am hoping to be able to pick up the Speed Freeks box +1 of everything not in Speed Freeks.

But FW Custodes are utter garbage compared to plastics?

Well, unless someone likes an orangutan in scratched, dirty brass armour with random crows and gorilla arm nailed on outside as a topping...

No, they are definitely superior to those diabetic, bow legged plastic terminators, utterly ridiculous, oversized eagle bikes and a shoehorned 'legendary' shield captain

 CragHack wrote:

But FW Custodes are utter garbage compared to plastics?

Well, unless someone likes an orangutan in scratched, dirty brass armour with random crows and gorilla arm nailed on outside as a topping...

No, they are definitely superior to those diabetic, bow legged plastic terminators, utterly ridiculous, oversized eagle bikes and a shoehorned 'legendary' shield captain

Strictly speaking, the plastics are largely superior kits.

I think it could become a problem. Think of how much money GW must be spending on all their marketing. The painting videos, community site articles, twitch channel, podcasts, several comic strips, regimental standard. People like that stuff, but it all costs money. So they have to keep selling at a high rate in order to afford all that overhead. Which means they can't really slow down the pace of new releases. And if people start to get burned out on it and sales decline, they might not be able to keep it all. Not to mention that it means at some point they'll have to retire old ranges or products. Everything now feels temporary. I don't imagine that, for example, Idoneth Deepkin are ever going to get new models. New battletomes, maybe. But I think GW is more likely to just keep releasing new small factions rather than revisit existing ones, and the old ones will eventually fade away.

I just focus on the games I like, so I don't really get to overwhelmed. Since really the only GW games I am interested in at the moment is Blood Bowl, it is pretty easy to not get overwhelmed.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I think it could become a problem. Think of how much money GW must be spending on all their marketing. The painting videos, community site articles, twitch channel, podcasts, several comic strips, regimental standard. People like that stuff, but it all costs money. So they have to keep selling at a high rate in order to afford all that overhead. Which means they can't really slow down the pace of new releases. And if people start to get burned out on it and sales decline, they might not be able to keep it all. Not to mention that it means at some point they'll have to retire old ranges or products. Everything now feels temporary. I don't imagine that, for example, Idoneth Deepkin are ever going to get new models. New battletomes, maybe. But I think GW is more likely to just keep releasing new small factions rather than revisit existing ones, and the old ones will eventually fade away.

You act as if that marketing talent isn't basically all free... The same people make the painting videos and the site articles, and manage the twitch channel, the podcasts, etc. Those people are GW employees that are paid X amount per year or hour regardless of what they're doing. The only expensive part of any of that would be new technology required, but since private citizens in their own bedrooms have high tech twitch streaming gear then I assume GW can throw pennies at it too (in retrospect). The only people that cost more are maybe Becca Scott because she's a freelancer, but even so she's not exactly a celebrity.

Labor is cheap for what they're getting out of it and I'm sure GW is very skilled at utilizing the GW Super Fans.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I think it could become a problem. Think of how much money GW must be spending on all their marketing. The painting videos, community site articles, twitch channel, podcasts, several comic strips, regimental standard. People like that stuff, but it all costs money. So they have to keep selling at a high rate in order to afford all that overhead. Which means they can't really slow down the pace of new releases. And if people start to get burned out on it and sales decline, they might not be able to keep it all. Not to mention that it means at some point they'll have to retire old ranges or products. Everything now feels temporary. I don't imagine that, for example, Idoneth Deepkin are ever going to get new models. New battletomes, maybe. But I think GW is more likely to just keep releasing new small factions rather than revisit existing ones, and the old ones will eventually fade away.

You act as if that marketing talent isn't basically all free... The same people make the painting videos and the site articles, and manage the twitch channel, the podcasts, etc. Those people are GW employees that are paid X amount per year or hour regardless of what they're doing. The only expensive part of any of that would be new technology required, but since private citizens in their own bedrooms have high tech twitch streaming gear then I assume GW can throw pennies at it too (in retrospect). The only people that cost more are maybe Becca Scott because she's a freelancer, but even so she's not exactly a celebrity.

Labor is cheap for what they're getting out of it and I'm sure GW is very skilled at utilizing the GW Super Fans.

Uh, marking talent isn't free. I don't know where you've worked where they don't pay the marketing department, but that's not the norm.

I suppose when you're talking about profits in the tens of millions, whatever they're spending on marketing won't seem like much.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I think it could become a problem. Think of how much money GW must be spending on all their marketing. The painting videos, community site articles, twitch channel, podcasts, several comic strips, regimental standard. People like that stuff, but it all costs money. So they have to keep selling at a high rate in order to afford all that overhead. Which means they can't really slow down the pace of new releases. And if people start to get burned out on it and sales decline, they might not be able to keep it all. Not to mention that it means at some point they'll have to retire old ranges or products. Everything now feels temporary. I don't imagine that, for example, Idoneth Deepkin are ever going to get new models. New battletomes, maybe. But I think GW is more likely to just keep releasing new small factions rather than revisit existing ones, and the old ones will eventually fade away.

You act as if that marketing talent isn't basically all free... The same people make the painting videos and the site articles, and manage the twitch channel, the podcasts, etc. Those people are GW employees that are paid X amount per year or hour regardless of what they're doing. The only expensive part of any of that would be new technology required, but since private citizens in their own bedrooms have high tech twitch streaming gear then I assume GW can throw pennies at it too (in retrospect). The only people that cost more are maybe Becca Scott because she's a freelancer, but even so she's not exactly a celebrity.

Labor is cheap for what they're getting out of it and I'm sure GW is very skilled at utilizing the GW Super Fans.

Uh, marking talent isn't free. I don't know where you've worked where they don't pay the marketing department, but that's not the norm.

I suppose when you're talking about profits in the tens of millions, whatever they're spending on marketing won't seem like much.

I've worked in a few places that had a bunch of expensive marketing people. And if you turn on the TV or turn off your ad blocker, you'll probably see some of their work. On the other hand, videos, podcasts, blogs - these are the things you may see from an indie band trying to get its name out there, not a super expensive marketing department.

Just looking at GW's profits compared to a few years back when all they released were a new flavour of space marine each month I think it is clear that these regular releases are the best thing they could have done.

I am personally much more interested in the game than I was a while back and with the release of Titanicus, am also considering yet another army, something that I promised I would never do!

I just wish they wouldn't discontinue stuff completely. I went to buy Silver Tower yesterday only to realise it's no longer available. I mean, I understand that companies don't like to maintain any level of stock that isn't selling fluidly, and the secondary market's all well and good if you're on the western hemisphere, but it's extremely difficult to get stuff like that here in Vietnam without a huge markup.

Pink Horror wrote:
On the other hand, videos, podcasts, blogs - these are the things you may see from an indie band trying to get its name out there, not a super expensive marketing department.

Blogs, podcasts and the like are run by the marketing department in any company big enough to have one. Indie bands do it all themselves because they do everything themselves. Mick Jagger isn't personally updating www.rollingstones.com - they've got people paid to do that. In the case of GW, it's true that a lot of the people working on Warhammer Community or Warhammer TV were recruited internally, but they're still being paid to do that marketing/promotion work. Duncan Rhodes no longer works in the Army painting team, for example, and Adam Troke left his position as product manager for Lord of the Rings to take up a position in Warhammer Community. It's not something he does in his lunch break.

 kronk wrote:
... SoB absence from Kill Team...

You know they're redesigning them from the ground up? You know that including them in the book only to completely release the entire miniature range next year with all new concepts that would have to be updated and replaced would be a terrible idea, right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 kronk wrote:
... SoB absence from Kill Team...

You know they're redesigning them from the ground up? You know that including them in the book only to completely release the entire miniature range next year with all new concepts that would have to be updated and replaced would be a terrible idea, right?

As opposed to them being missing from the book and then their model line gets released and they're still not in the book?

They're going to need to be added in either way, so why not include them now and then just replace it later when their new stuff drops?

If they're not in the game on release, people bitch and moan. if they are, and then get changed in a year's time, people bitch and moan. Might as well take the route that involves less work, in that case.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I just wish they wouldn't discontinue stuff completely. I went to buy Silver Tower yesterday only to realise it's no longer available. I mean, I understand that companies don't like to maintain any level of stock that isn't selling fluidly, and the secondary market's all well and good if you're on the western hemisphere, but it's extremely difficult to get stuff like that here in Vietnam without a huge markup.

Problem was probably the cardboard stuff they don't print themselves. Getting new printout would likely cost a lot and releases generally sell most they would in first few months. Thus 2nd print could sit on warehouses quite long. Which could be rather expensive