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Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
As current - there is no reason not to take the rapid fire version. It provides reliable 2 shots at 15 inch and a solid 30" 1 shot str 8 ap-4 to pick out units like devs when you can't rapid fire. Even in deathwatch I don't see much reason to not take the rapid fire version. Throwing an aggressor into the units seems like a good idea but really you are better off with just more intercessors as the bolters on the aggressor do not gain from special ammo and you end up losing out on AP to take the assault version of the intercessor guns.
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Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
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Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
Depends how strictly Primaris you are.
I'd recommend a quad Lascannon predator or two. They aren't the best tank in the game, but they'll give you a lot more bang for your buck than a Repulsor.
Plus you can usually nab them on eBay for pretty cheap if you're so inclined.
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Orlanth wrote: Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
They can kill tanks it's just not a very efficient way to do it compared to dedicated AT weapons because the relatively low damage means more shots are needed. Potentially a lot more shots than with say some lascannons.
Rapid fire plasma are pretty decent antitank. With the Raven Guard stratagem they can drop in rapid fire range, and when overcharging it is pretty respectable and reliable amount of damage. Granted, they tend to not live very long after that and need a captain to babysit them.
Orlanth wrote: Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
They can kill tanks it's just not a very efficient way to do it compared to dedicated AT weapons because the relatively low damage means more shots are needed. Potentially a lot more shots than with say some lascannons.
That said, if you're in rapid fire range and overcharging you're averaging more damage than a Lascannon. 1 less strength but 1 better AP.
Stux wrote: That said, if you're in rapid fire range and overcharging you're averaging more damage than a Lascannon. 1 less strength but 1 better AP.
A lot of vehicles have an invul save anyway negating the extra AP.
Hmm... A lot? Depends who you're facing. Very few Imperium vehicles outside of Custodes or Forgeworld off the top of my head.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also bare in mind there's no difference between S8 and S9 vs T7
There is against a plagueburst crawler though. T8 and a invul save. I'm a bit biased by mostly playing death guard, heavy on the daemon engines. Bloat drone is T7 with an invul save also so against DG you'd want the lascannons for the easier chance wounding the crawlers and not wasting the extra AP you'd get on the plasma.
Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
Depends how strictly Primaris you are.
I'd recommend a quad Lascannon predator or two. They aren't the best tank in the game, but they'll give you a lot more bang for your buck than a Repulsor.
Plus you can usually nab them on eBay for pretty cheap if you're so inclined.
100% primaris, as a theme. Don't worry about model price comparisons, I will be using the partwork campaign. Yes that includes non Primaris marines, which i will give away or add to my regular marine army. As that is a mechanised Razorback list anti tank has never been an issue.
Most likely to do Crimson Fists (which is not my regular marine chapter).
Looking at:
20 Intercessors
5 Rievers
5 (heavy?) Hellblasters
6 flamer Aggressors
3 bolter Inceptors
2-3 Dreadnoughts - will bits order a plasma cannon for one
3-4 Repulsors
various characters, all Primaris
It will be a for fun army, though it would help if it lacked glaring weaknesses.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
No because it's awful. It costs more than the other options, has half the rate of fire and heavy on a weapon that can overheat. Against -1 to hit armies at range you are screwed entirely where at least rapid fire and assault can get close to ignore that penalty. If the heavy version was Heavy 2 then yes it would be a valid option, but at just heavy 1 it can't put out the proper amount of firepower to be worth it's crippling drawbacks of higher point cost and limited mobility. It's in the same boat at the stalker bolter for intercessors.
I think the heavy should have only the overcharged profile, but without overcharging. The extra gubbins are the cooling system which allows it to operate so. I think it would be marginally usable then.
Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
Depends how strictly Primaris you are.
I'd recommend a quad Lascannon predator or two. They aren't the best tank in the game, but they'll give you a lot more bang for your buck than a Repulsor.
Plus you can usually nab them on eBay for pretty cheap if you're so inclined.
100% primaris, as a theme. Don't worry about model price comparisons, I will be using the partwork campaign. Yes that includes non Primaris marines, which i will give away or add to my regular marine army. As that is a mechanised Razorback list anti tank has never been an issue.
Most likely to do Crimson Fists (which is not my regular marine chapter).
Looking at:
20 Intercessors
5 Rievers
5 (heavy?) Hellblasters
6 flamer Aggressors
3 bolter Inceptors
2-3 Dreadnoughts - will bits order a plasma cannon for one
3-4 Repulsors
various characters, all Primaris
It will be a for fun army, though it would help if it lacked glaring weaknesses.
I think you should drop 2 Repulser, and add in 15 Hellblaster Rapid fire, a 5 man Heavy Hell blaster, and a 5 man Assault Hell blaster.
There was a time where the above would have worked for you, but the game these days has changed Knights and other higher toughness has returned to the field.
Orlanth wrote: Looking at the new wound table S8 without overheat looks nasty.
It gets bonus against T4, T7 and T8 over S7.
As Primaris lack heavy weapons I am wondering if heavy plasma is a good way to go for pure Primaris armies.
My caveat would be that most of the T7 and 8 targets you'll be facing you'll want to be doing more damage to, and so will usually be overcharging anyway.
As others have said, none of the Hellblaster loadouts is really a substitute for true heavy weapons, as the damage is too low.
Thanks so they can be used to finish off or damage threshold a tank, but not kill one.
Are my AT options limited to the Repulsor then?
Depends how strictly Primaris you are.
I'd recommend a quad Lascannon predator or two. They aren't the best tank in the game, but they'll give you a lot more bang for your buck than a Repulsor.
Plus you can usually nab them on eBay for pretty cheap if you're so inclined.
100% primaris, as a theme. Don't worry about model price comparisons, I will be using the partwork campaign. Yes that includes non Primaris marines, which i will give away or add to my regular marine army. As that is a mechanised Razorback list anti tank has never been an issue.
Most likely to do Crimson Fists (which is not my regular marine chapter).
Looking at:
20 Intercessors
5 Rievers
5 (heavy?) Hellblasters
6 flamer Aggressors
3 bolter Inceptors
2-3 Dreadnoughts - will bits order a plasma cannon for one
3-4 Repulsors
various characters, all Primaris
It will be a for fun army, though it would help if it lacked glaring weaknesses.
Fair enough!
Putting these restrictions on you will make it impossible to properly optimise your list, but if you're ok with that then more power to you for wanting a themed army
In that case Rapid Fire Hellblasters and Plasma Inceptors probably are the best you can get as far as anti tank. The range will be your main issue, you really need to be rapid firing to get decent anti tank damage out of them.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
