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As Insectum already mentioned, Trygon's can give you a whole 30 man unit of deepstriking Hormagants, these is a great candidate for AG on Horms.



However that's like enough points to grab a Primus + Purestrain unit and hit much harder and much more reliably and from turn 1 onwards, which is what I'd do instead. I think the strength of Hormagants is large but cheap Kraken pitsquads and the movement shenanigans that come with it.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Stux wrote:
You make some good points.

I'm certainly not complaining about Termagants though, they're perfectly decent for a 4pt model

As many people said elsewhere the problem lies in gardsmen being too cheap (only Guard apologists will tell you otherwise)
Hormagaunts are definitely overpriced and not worth 5 pts per model (being a tarpit and nothing more)

They are a very, very fast tarpit though. That 6" pile in/consolidate is crazy. Coupled with an 8" move and access to charging after Advancing. They can be a game-winning unit by virtue of just being able to connect with so much stuff.

T3 6+ is literally the worst profile in the game to take damage...paying 5 points for it and having no deal "damage" output (even when you combine multiple stratagems and buffs) is astonishingly bad. They should be 4 pts like Termagants and Gargoyles 5 pt (I can take Neophyte Hybrids for 5 pts and I can assure you that they are MUCH STRONGER than 'gants variants)

Grots. Gretchin are T2 6+

^Spore Mines: T1 7+

 Blndmage wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Stux wrote:
You make some good points.

I'm certainly not complaining about Termagants though, they're perfectly decent for a 4pt model

As many people said elsewhere the problem lies in gardsmen being too cheap (only Guard apologists will tell you otherwise)
Hormagaunts are definitely overpriced and not worth 5 pts per model (being a tarpit and nothing more)

They are a very, very fast tarpit though. That 6" pile in/consolidate is crazy. Coupled with an 8" move and access to charging after Advancing. They can be a game-winning unit by virtue of just being able to connect with so much stuff.

T3 6+ is literally the worst profile in the game to take damage...paying 5 points for it and having no deal "damage" output (even when you combine multiple stratagems and buffs) is astonishingly bad. They should be 4 pts like Termagants and Gargoyles 5 pt (I can take Neophyte Hybrids for 5 pts and I can assure you that they are MUCH STRONGER than 'gants variants)

Grots. Gretchin are T2 6+

For 3 pts, not 5 (almost the cost of an ork boyz)

 SHUPPET wrote:



However that's like enough points to grab a Primus + Purestrain unit and hit much harder and much more reliably and from turn 1 onwards, which is what I'd do instead. I think the strength of Hormagants is large but cheap Kraken pitsquads and the movement shenanigans that come with it.

Yeah I agree, just talking about the odd options. To bad Trygons are not better, might be worth taking them with Hgants

Trygons aren't that bad on their own though. At the very least they are a distraction that has to be dealt with immediately because they have a lot of d6 damage attacks and they put a unit exactly where it needs to be.. I prefer to put warriors with AG in the tyrgon because it's only +9 points to the unit. The main reason I don't like trygons now is the stupid DS beta rules.