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I think I'd prefer that Abaddon's body eventually becomes the host of Horus's soul, thus bringing Horus back. This could happen through some pact that Abaddon makes with all four gods, thinking that he will receive ultimate powers.
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No, just, no. Ignoring the fact that Big E completely obliterated Horus' soul in their final battle doing that would just be stupid. Certain characters have to stay dead for a reason- There's a reason Thomas and Martha Wayne are dead, same goes for uncle Ben. Same for Bucky (scratch that last one... ) All are responsible for shaping the respective characters into what they are today. To give a 40k example- The Blood Angels. To bring their primarch back would ruin not just their whole raison d'etre, it would feth up the whole Imperium as it is today at large. Sanguinius' death is such a pivotal moment in the shaping of the 40k galaxy as we know it, it just gaks on everything to say "Nah brah, he's still alive yo."
But I'm going off at a tangent here.
To circle it back to Abaddon. We have a similar situation. The entire shtick of the BL is to cast off the lingering shadow of Horus and carve their own bloody path that that weak fool Horus could never achieve. They changed their entire legion name FFS! Abaddon dropped an entire spaceship on the adopted homeworld of the person who had the gall to resurrect Horus (and 19 others).
I suppose I do agree with you. That's a fair point. One thing I didn't know is that his soul was utterly shattered by the Emperor. I read up on it and it seems that's correct.
I suppose it's a bit lame if people can't be killed outright and they can keep on coming back. That's more comic book and less grim-dark and can get tedious fast as the threat quickly disappears.
I didn't want Horus to come back, as such, it was more I wanted Abaddon to be manipulated or be part of a bigger plan. I suppose the problem is that most of the original stories were created without such purpose so they have to be woven in afterwards. .
HoundsofDemos wrote: I actually like that we got a female inquisitor in plastic. If anything felt unnecessarily included model wise, it was Voldus and fluff wise it was Cypher.
Yeah but we got eisenhorn, she could have waited. Abaddon needed done before an Inquisitor, regardless of the sex. I mean it was his crowning moment, he finally took the gate the the materium and we got an inquisitor instead, such bs. It was just GW trying to bring out a female model for all the unreasonable moaners that think women are somehow underrepresented in the game.
LMAO braj their release decisions were definitely not based around pandering, Abaddon needs to get released with a huge Chaos update, models, book, etc, and releasing just him and nothing else would be a huge blunder and mistiming.
Its not pandering. Every allied force had their big boss, SM's, the Eldar, but chaos not having anything is not a logical decision. Waiting for a big release... no models are not released just on big releases, Guilliman cough cough. By your logic Guilliman should have been released with a big release or Yinnari.
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locarno24 wrote: Annoyingly, there were two other chaos lords - Ahriman and Kharn - who were re-done in the Gathering Storm, though.
Agreed, Horus should stay dead, as well as all the other dead Primarchs.
I would agree, but fear they'll want to find 'loopholes' for many of them.
Abbadon the Warmaster is a decent substitute for horus.
I guess a bigger, more impressive is-he-a-ghost-of-sanguinius-or-not sanguinor might qualify.
Ferrus has already been hinted at in the heresy series since getting a short back and sides from Fulgrim, in master of mankind - but that's associated with something looking suspiciously like the Legion Of The Damned. I have a pet theory that the Animus Malorem might really be the Gorgon's skull.
Night Haunter? Yeah. Dude's dead. Because unlike everyone else, he actually wanted to be. Suicide by assassin is still suicide.
No they weren't, they weren't apart of the Triumvirate and if you couldn't them its still paltry to what everyone else got.. The Gathering storm was a perfect time for Abaddon to be released, it was odd they didn't do that.
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nareik wrote: Horus was the clone, Abaddon is the original!
Of course, under the Emperor's tutelage Horus was able to grow, whereas Abaddon was neglected, not realising his full potential until way after the Horus' failure came to pass.
That's the newest rumour circling Black Legion forces!
I don't know, what about the birthing pods and their scattering. They'd have to completely change the lore, adding another birthing pod to the 20, plus Abaddon was human and supposedly had a father. Granted the Emperor could have implanted him with false memories, cool idea but, not sure about its validity.
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Gathering storm started like 3 months after Wrath of Magnus. chaos Marines had just GOT a massive "big bad" (rememebr 1k sons where not their own distinct codex until 8th edition, Magnus was takable as a chaos marine LOW)
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Abaddon should still have gotten a new model. Destroying Cadia was his big moment and he ended up feeling like an after thought after the first book.
ohh I agree completely, granted had I been running GW I'd have done things very differantly, I'd have made the fall of Cadia a HUUUGE event. with multiple sourcebooks leading up to the gathering storm. I would proably have not bothered with the fenris warzone andfocused on a cadia warzone conflict between 1k sons and the space wolves, and would have focused on stuff like traitor's hate etc over an entire year. model wise I'd not have changed much but I'd have slide a "trimvirate of Chaos" into the mix as well (Abbaddon, and maybe some characters mentioned previously only in the fluff. how awesome, for example, Falkus Kibre would likely have been fun, a TERMINATOR posessed character? people would have loved the idea)
hopefully he'll get some plastic soon though. Primarchs are all well and good, but Abbaddon is the warmaster of chaos and they NEED to really stress this.
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Could have package him, Ahriman and Typhus or Kharn together in a mortals of chaos bundled.
Typhus didn't come out till later so not likely that, but package him Kharn and,,, hell toss cypher in with that and make a third (more sensical) unit for the trimvirate of the primarch (maybe a plastic version of Cato Sicurious)
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Yea, the last one was silly, also I really feel like Cypher's role in the was really wasted. He's one of the more interesting characters in the setting and he ended up being little more than a plot device and the way the story ends leaves a lot of questions that I don't recall GW answering to any kind of satisfaction.
HoundsofDemos wrote: Yea, the last one was silly, also I really feel like Cypher's role in the was really wasted. He's one of the more interesting characters in the setting and he ended up being little more than a plot device and the way the story ends leaves a lot of questions that I don't recall GW answering to any kind of satisfaction.
I agree, it's why I'd have maybe tossed him in a chaos trimvirate instead. I honestly feel like the TRIMVIRATE of the Primarch was the weakest of the group. by that I mean the Imperial one in GS3 and ynnari one, all felt important etc. with GS3 I really felt the trimvirate was just sort of... there.
GS1 Gave us 3 fairly memorable characters. GS2 well.. I'll let eldar fans comment on that eaither way. GS3 was so gulliman focused that the other trimvirate members where l;ittle more then name drops. Cypher being given any real characterization is IMHO impossiable unless/until they're willing to abandon the "MYSTERIOUS MAN OF MYSTERY" jazz. (not saying they should, not saying they shouldn't, just it's hard to hard characterization to a man who is well.. a cypher)
I think for the trinvirate I'd have kept Voldus, and given him an expanded role (rather then have them get captured en route and saved by cyper as they did which honestly created more questions then anything I'd have made the Grey Knight a KEY solution to the issue) for a second character I'd have gone with a space marine character of some sort, Cato Sicurious seems the logical choice but if they didn't wanna double down on Ultramarines I'd have gone with a plastic emperor's champion.
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Lets not underestimate Abaddon's power. Knowing that some Custodes (Valdor) are able to physically challenge some primarchs, and Abaddon has defeated some of the Imperium's greatest warriors (Sigismund, etc), it's not too far of a stretch to say Abaddon COULD kill a cloned primarch without the powers of chaos. With the powers of chaos, we can assume that Abaddon is easily as strong as a primarch, as proven by his ability to force the traitor primarchs into submission. And, as I understand it, the clone of Horus was soulless, so there would be nothing for chaos to manipulate. Abaddon makes a much better warmaster because he's true flesh and blood urged on by real hate and malice.
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Yeah, GS3 was inane. I really want to like Cypher, but "hurr durr I'm SO MYSTEEERIOUS" gets old fast - I would like some subtlely in that, and in the way Alpha Legion get written.
But what's done is done. If Chaos gets a range refresh ala Dark Eldar, then it would totally make sense for Abs to be the big centrepiece release for that.
And it's hardly like every other faction has its big bad. Eldar of both major stripes, Orks, Guard, Tau are all trucking along with finecast, and the Avatar in particular looks real weedy these days.
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