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They can do that with out changing the background of a guardsmen to a large degree. The reason guardsmen don't use bolters is the IOM can barely keep SM chapters supplied with such weapons let alone the billions of guardsmen and woman. Lasguns and flak armor are the corner stone of the standard guardsmen. You change that you change the army.

If they want new weapons (which they don't need) have it be built around las tech. Like maybe a some kind of multi laser HW. IG's charm comes from the idea that any regiment from history can show up and its annoying GW is pruning what should be the most diverse model line in the game. I'm getting tired of the streamlining options, discouraging kit bashing and sterilizing everything into one official model.

A non-hotshot volley gun would be nice.

I'd love to see one or more of the old regiments return in plastic, but barring that, an entirely new regiment would be workable. Bonus points if it is compatible enough for easy conversions with Genestealer Cultists, Tempestus Scions, Cadians, and so on.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Scions getting a new toy or two so that there is more to their keyword than 3 units.

Plastic Dkok seems too good to be true so I'm going to say that won't happen. Would love to see Grenadier squads become available for purchase again...

Generic guard that can have upgrades like diffent heads etc like marines do. Keep it simple.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

With that they could do 2 regiments at once. Just have 2 heads , 1 Mordian & 1 Praetorian, available for each body.

 Galas wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
In the third or fourth edition codex there was a sketch of some IG in long coats and modernish body armor. I think they may have been labeled as the Necromunda Spiders. I would like to see them or the Vostroyans, or some other heavily Blanched mini design. The Starstriders look great, but I'd like to see something a little less Love Boat Security and more ...well, Imperial Guard.


Oh, and at least a few female heads and bodies should be on the sprue.

Give me this as Imperial Guard and I'll buy tons! (But to be honest probably they would be too similar to Skitarii Vanguards)

Spoiler:

Galas, there's always these: https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/regiments-of-the-galaxys-finest/products/hexenheim-storm-troopers-10-man-squad

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On the thread in general, while I'd like to see the older regiments come back, I'd like to see a new one as well. I'm part of the crowd pushing for more female models (where story line appropriate, I'm not a Femarinist), so a female, or mostly female regiment would be great. Think the way wytches are set up. Ten models, parts to make two males, or up to 10 females. Play up the old tech side of things as well, at least in ways that we haven't seen with IG yet. I like the inspiration from the RT box idea that someone else mentioned.

If I were to redo Guard, here's what I'd do:

1) I'd make a new regiment, looking like a combination of Napoleonic era soldiers and Roman Centurions (because, I mean, Robute Guilliman is space Napoleon Caesar). Think the new Voidsmen from the Rogue Trader set, but more Napoleonic era. I would have the regular squad have a more rugged used looking uniform and the Command Squad set have dress pants akin to and officer's dress uniform. Kneepads would be included and optional. Both men and women models

2) Release a series of conversion sets for all of the prior Regiments, designed to use at least the legs of either the regular squad set or command set and contain torsos, arms, and heads for their respective set. The Regiments may have a slightly updated look because of this.

Plastic Valhallans, pls.

Not an IG player myself, but some new steel legion would seriously test my resolve.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Please please Mordians or Praetorians! If they were in plastic I'd buy a thousand

+1 great models

Vostroyans would probably be my pick.

BrianDavion wrote:
Speaking with my "if I was a GW exec" hat on for a moment, and looking at trends, what we know about sales etc I'd go with a new regiment, introduce rules for a new regiment, they'd have new war gear options etc and would basicly be a regiment that is "guilliman's new envisioning of the guard"

Please no.

Guilliman has already plunged his todger deep into Space Marines, I'd much prefer that he not also thrust it into Imperial Guard.

I don't particularly like the current Cadian sculpts, but I think they work as the default IG because they're generic sci-fi soldiers, rather than an export of a single aesthetic or historical era. They work well as a 'universal' Guard aesthetic.

To me, that means a plastic rendition of the Mordians, Praetorians, Valhallans, Death Korps, Vostroyans, or Steel Legion is right out, since all of those have very particular aesthetics that IMO are all very cool, but are too stylized to work well as the standard-issue Guard look.

I think the Vostroyans are the closest to what I would actually like to see, which is a regiment that embodies the retro-futuristic style of 40K. They've got that in spades, but it's also wrapped up in the Cossack look, which again I think is a little too specific. I'm thinking something a little like the Solar Auxilia from Forge World, where their armor looks as much medieval as futuristic, but they're not overtly drawn from any particular historical era.

GW could then quietly retire the Catachans and be left with two core flavors of Imperial Guard- modern/tactical, and baroque/gothic, offering two distinct looks while still being sufficiently generic within the context of the 40K setting.

 Bobthehero wrote:
A non-hotshot volley gun would be nice.

Now that's a really good idea!

Also, I'd guess they could do a Mordian/Praetorian box, the uniforms are more or less the same, just have 2 sets of heads and you can make either from the same box.

But it would be nice to see all of the old Regiments come back in plastic; however, now that they've differentiated each with specific rules, and some of those rules are somewhat lackluster - shifting the less often used Regiments in quantity may be tricky, without an update to some Doctrines.

Solar Auxilera is what the Storm Troopers should have looked like. And STs should have been 10 to a box. And get off of my lawn you punks!

Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

I vote for retiring the current line of infantry of Imperial Guard to be retired quietly. Cadia being destroyed gives them the perfect fluff excuse to phase them out and replace them with a new flagship guard regiment. Something like Vostroya or Krieg would be perfect thanks to their retro look which matches the esthetic of the Imperium. Failling that, they could resurrect a long dead regiment or create a new one that would have a retro-futuristic look (and options for female guards of course). A few updates for Scions wouldn't be bad (snipers or jet pack scions maybe as well as female scions would be cool).

I'd treat regiments like gangs from Necromunda. The kits are great with loads of weapon options

Do a plastic box for each of the main guard regiments.

Each sprue contains a kneeling option, you can then sell heavy weapon sprue separately.

epronovost wrote:
I vote for retiring the current line of infantry of Imperial Guard to be retired quietly. Cadia being destroyed gives them the perfect fluff excuse to phase them out and replace them with a new flagship guard regiment.

This begs to differ with you.
As does the fact there's a sequel coming, and both take place post-Dark Imperium.

Something like Vostroya or Krieg would be perfect thanks to their retro look which matches the esthetic of the Imperium. Failling that, they could resurrect a long dead regiment or create a new one that would have a retro-futuristic look (and options for female guards of course). A few updates for Scions wouldn't be bad (snipers or jet pack scions maybe as well as female scions would be cool).

Oh sure, let's have jetpack scions with CCWs+pistols! We could call them Melee Squads.

The Cadians don't match "the aesthetic of the Imperium" because they're using mass produced gear. Krieg is the same thing.

Vostroyans have more ornate gear for a reason: they essentially provide their own gear.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
my money would be on Steel Legion getting the update treatment if any of the existing armies get it.

Steel Legion would be a good choice imho, preferably with DKoK and Chaos Cultist upgrade sprues (similar to the GSC sprue) being available too, especially if Armageddon gets revisited by Angron.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Make them look like Scions, the best IG models that exist. Cadians look like somebody took a dump on the table.

Gitdakka wrote:
As a side question though... When do you think we'll see a new guard line? I would not even guess it's in gw planning phase yet. My guestimate would be something like 5 years.

I'm going to say within a year. From a marketing perspective guard are in a really bad place at the moment. In the past year the following regiments have been discontinued:

Elysians
Tallarn
Steel Legion (infantry squad is still available but might as well not be when everything else is OOP)
Mordian
Valhallan
Vostroyan

So your options are:

Death Korps (which 95% of players will not be able to afford/justify post international increase)
Catachans
Cadians (Kell dead, Creed pokeball'd, Cadia exploded)

New blood interested in starting a guard army are basically out of luck. The vast majority of regiments are unavailable to them.

I’d have a generic box with Cadian heads, then sell upgrade sprues that cater for anyone who wants to mix things up a bit.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
Update the existing models' "Infantry Squad" before doing anything new...but tie the update with new rules. Infantry Squads having Heavy Weapon Teams is currently problematic. Ditch them from the list, give Infantry Squads some new weapon options that fill the role of a man portable heavy weapon. Rotary Cannons, Grenade Launchers, Heavy Stubbers, a Volley Gun equivalent, stuff of that nature. HWTs remain as part of the Heavy Weapon Squads and become like we now know Mek Guns are going(deployed/bought as one; different units afterwards).

Cadians and Catachans should get a refreshed basic Infantry Squad. Done up the way the Fire Warriors box was done, with the basic loadout we're familiar with now present and quite a bit of the fittings in there.. Add in shotguns and some new weapon options for the squads themselves and you have a set people will actually go for.

Scions effectively can be their "own" regiment at this point. That's not a bad thing! It tickles the itch some people want of a more "40kish" look. The Scions are purportedly what was used as the basis for the Rogue Trader's Voidsmen, so clearly they think it's a vibe that people like. Add in a "Scions Heavy Weapons Team" option for Heavy Support and a new Sentinel variant for them and we get the ability to run a full Scion "army".

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Scions with jump packs with assault hot-shot volley guns.

I just want Steel Legion.

With the 'success' of Primaris, I'd expect similar with IG.
At the time, I couldn't work out how the Primaris happened, why they existed at all, or what it meant for SM as a whole, but I can see the old IG range getting sidelined for a whole new set of models.

The models in the Rogue Trader KT box look very good, and the Tempestus Scions seem to have been a fore-runner to Primaris.
I'm happy with my Cadians, yet I don't see they staying as they are...

 Apple Peel wrote:
Scions with jump packs with assault hot-shot volley guns.

I prefer my version. Jet-Pack Scions with Hot shot SMG for high fire rate att short range.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/721094.page

Rowboat girlyman being a the head now and being a fan of uniformity I would like a new plastic kit with mixed gender flakk armor torsos and pants. have a few different arms some sleeved in normal fatigues, some more cadian style. maybe do liek in the ork kits with lots of head options. then do some upgrade sprues as now with different arms/heads for other regiments.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Scions are their own regiments, just much smaller. I don’t think a standard HWT would work with their quick strike tactics. Maybe some kind of fast attack that works in similar fashion to Inceptors. Honestly though, a scion army (with rule of three) is just a battalion and a patrol detachment (unless you’re using Valkyries).

Fluffwise yes, Scions are their own thing.
Gamewise? They're not. You can't field a Battalion or Brigade without removing their Regimental traits thanks to the wording.

And really, if you think that a "standard HWT" wouldn't work with their quick strike tactics? You must have missed the Elysians having them.