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 Ouze wrote:
SO DID YOU TAKE THE GUITAR OR WHAT

Yep, seems to be in alright condition a few scratches but nothing serious just needs strings, bridge pins, a strap, a pick and a case.

Well, whatever other horrors this awful year has yet to shart upon us, at least that guitar situation worked out

Legally speaking, it's currently fine to do this in Canada. There was a case almost a decade ago where police found a discarded gun in a suspect's trash and the decision in that case basically leaves trash open for picking - you relinquish ownership of the item, the items it's with, the bags they're in, etc when you throw them out.

The disgusting downside to this of course, is that if you leave your trash out early in many neighborhoods, someone will rip through the bags for recyclables and leave a mess.

The upside though is people will leave old furniture they don't want anymore, antiques and such, by the curb and you can resinably expect someone to come along a whisk it away to a better life.

Grats on the acquisition, btw. Check it for bugs, it has been outside after all, and don't forget to check the neck and adjust the truss rod.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I believe that’s more to do with it still being on private land?

Once you’ve put your bins out, I think it’s all fair game?

Once it is in the hands of the bin-[men] even they cannot touch it apart from the scrap it.
I've had to visit waste sites (the drive-up and throw your stuff in the marked skips places) as part of my work, and we've been short of a certain part. There has been one right-there in a skip, and we're not allowed to get it. I had to drive back to the office to get a spare.

 Ouze wrote:
at least that guitar situation worked out

Put this on my tombstone please.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Legally speaking, it's currently fine to do this in Canada. There was a case almost a decade ago where police found a discarded gun in a suspect's trash and the decision in that case basically leaves trash open for picking - you relinquish ownership of the item, the items it's with, the bags they're in, etc when you throw them out.

And its like that in some places in the US. In others, the trash is still your property(or the property of the garbage company) and you'd need permission to get it. Its why in some areas police need search warrants to look through someone's trash.

LOOT IT N' PAINT IT BLOO

But seriously, if it's in the garbage, it's fair game.

That being said, if it's in the garbage, there's probably a reason why.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
SO DID YOU TAKE THE GUITAR OR WHAT

Yep, seems to be in alright condition a few scratches but nothing serious just needs strings, bridge pins, a strap, a pick and a case.

So, basically, the cost of a good used guitar to repair it then. Good times, I like fixing stuff up, too.

It's a Takamine F303, don't know if it's any good as I tend to listen to more electrical guitar than acoustic.

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 Bi'ios wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
It's a Takamine F303, don't know if it's any good as I tend to listen to more electrical guitar than acoustic.

It’s an inexpensive guitar, which is likely why it was thrown out and not repaired. You don’t throw away a good guitar, as a good quality one only appreciates in value, even if it needs some TLC. Not the same for cheap ones. There’s a reason you found that, and not a Gibson or Epiphone

Inexpensive guitars are still expensive though.

 Bi'ios wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
It's a Takamine F303, don't know if it's any good as I tend to listen to more electrical guitar than acoustic.

It’s an inexpensive guitar, which is likely why it was thrown out and not repaired. You don’t throw away a good guitar, as a good quality one only appreciates in value, even if it needs some TLC. Not the same for cheap ones. There’s a reason you found that, and not a Gibson or Epiphone

Not really. Very specific guitars appreciate. Most don't. I had a Blackmachine that gained a lot in worth, and have a Gibson that's worth more than it used to be, but I've had about a dozen other £2k+ guitars all of which lost a lot of value over the years - included several other Gibsons. Lots of Epiphones get thrown in the bin.

You get a lot for your money in low end guitars, though, and an F303 is a solid instrument, so if it needs only very minor replacements, then it's certainly worth doing. I wouldn't be spending money on repairs.

Just for curiosity sake what would be considered high end, mid range, low end for acoustics in terms of brand and cost, both new and used? I'm new to this so forgive my ignorance.

 Cheesecat wrote:
Just for curiosity sake what would be considered high end, mid range, low end for acoustics in terms of brand and cost, both new and used? I'm new to this so forgive my ignorance.

Extremely subjective. I've not worked selling guitars for a while, but did for a decade, and in shops I suppose we'd kinda bracket things along the lines of:

Entry: <£200
Low end: £200-500
Mid: £500-1000
High: £1000+

That's it roughly. You can't really map brands onto that as most compete in multiple brackets. Also worth saying that for some the real high-end starts a lot higher than that. I think of high end starting at about £2k, but the industry (in the UK) fits roughly along those lines.

Also obviously worth bearing in mind that value varies wildly between companies and at different pricepoints, too. As a general rule, a £1000 Fender is a better put together instrument than a Gibson at the same money. A £500 Yamaha will be a better instrument than a £500 Fender. A £1500 Martin will wipe the floor with a £1500 Yamaha and so on.

And that's also a bit of a misnomer there. You have some instruments that fall in the low end range that are comparable quality wise with mid to high range guitars. I own an Alvarez AD-60K, and it'll give high end guitars a run for their money. Wood instruments have a wide variance as well. You can get a guitar from Taylor, which is arguably one of the top if not THE top acoustic brands, and one in 20 will sound lackluster at best due to the composition of the wood. However, you can get a Rogue guitar, which may be the bottom tier, and one in 10 or so will sound on par with a higher end Gibson.

Personally, I go Alvarez with all my acoustic needs, and ESP for my electric needs. I haven't tooled around on any Jacksons since the Fender buyout, but the Jackson Kelly I got back in 94/95 was a staple of my stage gear until the mid 2000's. Only being strapped for money and basic human stupidity have kept it from being in my line up to this day.

nfe wrote:
Also obviously worth bearing in mind that value varies wildly between companies and at different pricepoints, too. As a general rule, a £1000 Fender is a better put together instrument than a Gibson at the same money. A £500 Yamaha will be a better instrument than a £500 Fender. A £1500 Martin will wipe the floor with a £1500 Yamaha and so on.

This times a thousand.

And sometimes the criteria people use to determine which guitar is 'better' isn't even the criteria you care about: I got a Fender CB-60SCE specifically because it was the loudest they had on the rack - because I wanted to use it at home without an amp, surprisingly difficult with acoustic bass.

I voted thinking it was garage. If it's definitely in the garbage then it's fair game.

We furnished our student apartment from garbage - people would put out furniture the night before garbage collection and most of it was in decent condition if it hadn't been rained on.

Ew. Discarded furniture always smells like Cat pee or Old People pee or both. Or has vomit in it. Not on it, IN it.

Having attempted the same in my younger days, I learned.

Some of my best furniture has been from the side of a road. That is where we got my favorite couch of all time. Perfect for sleeping, sitting 4-8 people, and hangovers.

My advice on the guitar would be to fix it up yourself and really learn how to do it right. Get good at it. Then bam, you know every musician in a 30 mile radius. That could of course be good or bad, depending on what you are in to.....

 Just Tony wrote:
Walk up and ask. OR wait until trash pick up and ask the trash ma... oh, gak, I almost did it... trash person if you can have it.

its okay, '-man' is a gender neutral suffix meaning 'person'.

'Person' contains 'son', so if you want to be 'hyper PC' go with refuse collector or garbage worker and refer to people as 'individuals'. No sense being inconsistent about it if we must reinvent English.

nareik wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Walk up and ask. OR wait until trash pick up and ask the trash ma... oh, gak, I almost did it... trash person if you can have it.

its okay, '-man' is a gender neutral suffix meaning 'person'.

'Person' contains 'son', so if you want to be 'hyper PC' go with refuse collector or garbage worker and refer to people as 'individuals'. No sense being inconsistent about it if we must reinvent English.

Go take your soap box somewhere else, no one wants to hear your hack social commentary on Dakka.

nareik wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Walk up and ask. OR wait until trash pick up and ask the trash ma... oh, gak, I almost did it... trash person if you can have it.

its okay, '-man' is a gender neutral suffix meaning 'person'.

'Person' contains 'son', so if you want to be 'hyper PC' go with refuse collector or garbage worker and refer to people as 'individuals'. No sense being inconsistent about it if we must reinvent English.

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I was being flippant...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Thought it said ‘in his garage’. Which is a totally different ketlte of fish.

I say just chap their door, ask if you can have it.


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nfe wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:

nfe wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:
If it is in the garbage then it would not be stealing to take it. Just take it with a clear consience.

In the UK it is, legally. That's why people get charged for stealing food from skips behind supermarkets. Whether that is an idiosyncratic legal situation here, and whether the guitar's owner would care enough to press charges, though...

Asking the neighbour is certainly the most sensible option.

I don't think it is tenable to charge someone for stealing an object that was clearly thrown away. It is at that point an ownerless object. If you stood your ground on that you should win in a fair trial, not that it should come to that for a piece of garbage. Where you could get in trouble might be in trespassing or in making a mess depending on the circumstances.

Several people have been charged in the UK for stealing from supermarket skips. Tesco and Iceland, I think. Not sure about convictions.

I believe that’s more to do with it still being on private land?

Once you’ve put your bins out, I think it’s all fair game?

I made the exact same mistake - there is a whole lot of difference, both from a legal and a moral standpoint.

In the garbage? Hell, yeah! take it!

In the garage? Hell, no!

The Auld Grump

Take it and don't feel bad.

Don't do drugs kiddo

Way too late for that, especially with weed being legal in Canada now.

 Stevefamine wrote:
Don't do drugs kiddo

Why not? They are fun!

I voted other to stand for "go home and have a long think about why you've asked a bunch of strangers on the internet this question rather than knock on the door and ask."

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
Don't do drugs kiddo

Why not? They are fun!

Billy Mac wrote:Hiya kids. Here is an important message from your Uncle Bill. Don't buy drugs. Become a pop star, and they give you them for free!

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