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Maybe you whipped out some amazing point that completely rewrote your post retrospectively somehow, lol, as doubtful as I think it is I don't know because as I said, I won't read posts written like that. It's nothing new, I say the same thing every time I see it . I think I'm going to have to add something to my sig about it at this point.

But above all merry Xmas and happy holidays, I forgot its only just ticked over for you guys

I know I was one of those people who said GW was in a slow decline to failure if they didn't figure out marketing and customer relations. I also said they need to fix their rules writing so the game isn't a jumbled mess without a clear design behind it. Focus on making a somewhat balanced game instead of pretending that semi competitive and competitive play doesn't exist. Well i got a monkey's paw deal out of it because they did exactly that but got 8th edition in the bargain which is dreadfully dull and just not fun for me to play.

So in a message to past me

 SHUPPET wrote:


I'm one of those people who gets labelled a white knight these days, for saying how great GW is doing with the game. But still I'm actually embarrassed for you for making this thread. Those sales reports were real whether you like them or not. You've completely dismissed the fact that if anything, the complaints that GW really needed to spin their management of the IP around for 40k to continue healthily, seem like they were hitting pretty close to the mark.

You don't get to say "I told you so!" to all the people who said GW needed to make drastic changes to stay successful, after GW made drastic changes and managed to remain successful.

You're right, I don't get to say that to people who said what you describe. I get to say it to people who said what I describe. You mixing them up is on you. But as an added bonus, I'm pretty sure GW would still be running even if they didn't do what they did. It takes longer than a few years for a company of this size to go under. You describe it's embarrassing and seem to point out that I didn't think the sales reports were real, or that I ignored them somehow. I didn't. I just knew better, I knew sales reports like that don't mean a company like GW is going down. Someone else lacking this knowledge is not on me.

auticus wrote:
People started doomsaying GW was going to die any minute now when Privateer launched warmachine and Confrontation was picking up steam. Back in the early 2000s.

It has never stopped since.

Aye, it's cyclical. And seems to end up being incorrect time after another.

 Trickstick wrote:
Doesn't GW have next to no debt, and massive amounts of assets? I know that was the case years ago. Not exactly a company in danger of bankruptcy.

The very reason I said GW isn't going down back then, as I have said many times in the cyclical past of doomsaying. A company of this size simply doesn't go down that easily. It didn't make any sense to presume that then either, there are quite a bit of things a large company can do to mitigate losses and prevent bankruptcy.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yep, I was one of those people. I said, "if GW doesn't pull a major 180 on almost every single marketing decision they've been doing, they'll be dead within the decade".

And four years later, I was right. They fired Kirby, did the biggest overhaul of the game in its entire history and have been releasing new models and content on an unprecedented pace while finally entering the digital age in regards to community feedback and PR. All of which came together to save them from the brink.

I never did get that apology from the corporate apologists like the OP of this thread, though.

A bit of a logical strawman there, seeing as you never claimed what I described. There is a condition in your claim. So no need for me to apologize. Also, there's a difference in simply stating something that is true, and being an apologist. Sadly for you, I'm the former. I just stated something that was correct and nothing will change that.

Wayniac wrote:
Honestly, though, this just shows you'll accept mediocrity and praise it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. 40k might be "better", but it's still one of the worst designed games out there. It just has, unfortunately IMHO, shown that the GW fanbase doesn't care. So GW hasn't learned anything except they can throw a bone to it, and turn profits hand over fist.

I'm not sure that's something to be proud of. Sure they are doing a lot better than they did years ago, but they still have so much more they could be doing that they have no need to because their fans have shown having a good game isn't a very big concern to them.

There are better designed games out there, but in case of Warhammer 40.000 the way things are currently is indeed satisfactory for me. As it's better than it's ever been in my opinion. I think you play down on what "GW has learned" - it's obvious they have done much more in terms of renovation than what you describe. And I don't mean game design only.

 Runic wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:


I'm one of those people who gets labelled a white knight these days, for saying how great GW is doing with the game. But still I'm actually embarrassed for you for making this thread. Those sales reports were real whether you like them or not. You've completely dismissed the fact that if anything, the complaints that GW really needed to spin their management of the IP around for 40k to continue healthily, seem like they were hitting pretty close to the mark.

You don't get to say "I told you so!" to all the people who said GW needed to make drastic changes to stay successful, after GW made drastic changes and managed to remain successful.

You're right, I don't get to say that to people who said what you describe. I get to say it to people who said what I describe. You mixing them up is on you. But as an added bonus, I'm pretty sure GW would still be running even if they didn't do what they did. It takes longer than a few years for a company of this size to go under. You describe it's embarrassing and seem to point out that I didn't think the sales reports were real, or that I ignored them somehow. I didn't. I just knew better, I knew sales reports like that don't mean a company like GW is going down. Someone else lacking this knowledge is not on me.

Nah look at your OP. You're directing it to anyone who said you were wrong that the game is going under if they didn't change.

 SHUPPET wrote:

Nah look at your OP. You're directing it to anyone who said you were wrong that the game is going under if they didn't change.

 Runic wrote:
Kirby's chairman's preambles, singular sales reports. 7th edition and it's issues. Doom, fire, the end times of Games Workshop were coming in 2014, said a lot of users.

And then there was us, who said GW isn't going under. Labeled as white knights, apologists and what not because we were supposedly wrong. Back then I said we'll see in 4-5 years, and I'll remember to mention it. Keeping my promise!

Turns out we were right, and they were wrong, which is what I said back then already. Also glad I got a lot of GW stock back then when it was down. As far as I'm concerned, 40K is now better than ever, and GW as a company has come a long way in 4 years. Reading those old posts now, where people are dead certain GW is going down and shooting down any counter arguments just felt so funny now.

I even found a guy saying in a thread from 2014 that 8th edition might turn their boat around, and they might gamble by bringing back Specialist Games with new plastics. Talk about a prophet there.

Nah, I'd take your own advice. Underlined and bolded the parts for you where you can read that it's directed to people who said what I write that they said, not to people who said that I would have been wrong.

No amount of squirming will change this, sorry.

Guys, don't engage. This guy is a known troll who will threaten you in PMs who seems to want to cause a fight on Christmas Day. What a fething sad sack...

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
I was really hoping Hasbro would buy out GW...

why so they can ruin it? you think GW are run by a bunch of money grubbing accountants who have no clue what the gamers are like, you ain't seen NOTHING compared to Haesbro.

Google TSR for an example of how fast a "too big to fail" market leader can go from a slight dip to gone if they get into a death spiral.

So, to recap - a few years ago, some people were saying GW would continue to do worse unless they changed their ways.

GW changed their ways, and as a result is now doing better than before.

Going by this thread so far, that would seem to encapsulate the entirety of the productive discussion available on this topic.


Moving on.