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I can definitely say first pass wasn't amazing. There's a few models from the first kickstarter that never hit production because of how lousy they turned out.

That said, I have the previous kickstarter and the minis are fine for anything short of show pieces, and look forward to seeing how some of the black pieces come out. If it's the same material as the blacksun power armored dudes it should be pretty good, honestly thought that was standard plastic.
   
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I don't recall the names of the characters. As I just bought them on a whim for £2.50 each.

I had an elven archer permanently leaning back a good 20 degrees that I was forced to replace the bow on.
I had a sorceress. Probably elven who had a sword bent back on itself a full 180 curve.
A daemon devil sorceress with a staff made from a spine which needed replacing with brass rod as it was warped and twisted.
A daemon girl with two daggers with so much flash it was impossible to clean.
And a Rogue stepping off a rock that needed both swords replacing with plastics and the face was just a blob.

In general I found the flash and mould lines extremely difficult to clean and in some cases so much and so thick damage was unavoidable.
The bent pieces I tried fixing with hot water and fridge.
Boiling water and fridge.
Boiling water and freezer.
Boiling water and room temperature.
But none of the twisting and bending was ever more than 25% repaired.

The inability to prime was...odd.
I tried painting without primer and paint flaked off.
I primed them just in case and paint still flaked off.
I had some success washing with Agrax and then priming...

But at this point I'd had the models for 2 or 3 weeks and only got the bare basics done on one model.

I picked up a metal Astrid (it was in the painting section but gathered zero interest so thread was deleted). Painted her in one evening.
Loved it.
Tossed the bones crap away.
   
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Priming was odd, though there are several reaper paints, including their primer, that actually worked quite well but this was info you didn't know unless you hung around the forums.

Moldlines were the worst part about white bones as they just got fuzzy and harder to remove if you tired to clean them. Really turned me off to PVC plastics and restic (as around that time people had a real hate for them as well) in the past two years though I've come to really like both just not Bones as everyone else were better then what Reaper was putting out. Outside of small outfits I like to support, like Redbox, i'll rarely touch metal anymore. Horrible material for something you actually want to play with.

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Krazed Killa Kan




Monarchy of TBD

Did you wash them before painting? I've found that if you don't, they chip like crazy, but if they're well washed they hold on pretty well.

I did find you had to do some rebends with mine (Bones 3) but only ended up with one or two who were doing crazy leans.

I must admit I trolled their forums pretty hard in the months before my kickstarter was delivered, specifically because I heard that Bones would not respond to your normal painting techniques. Then too, I will never be more than a tabletop quality painter at my best, so I wasn't too concerned about the lack of hard details. If you're an awesome painter, I'd definitely stick to metals or boutique plastic.

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Bones 1 had a lot of, well, trash quality human and smaller figures. Each subsequent KSer they got better, even tweaking their PVC formula some as there's no way Bones 1 and Bones 3 are the same material, but the white bones still has lots of flaws.

I think the Bones 1 quality really hurt them with a lot of people but you can fine some really nicely painted bones from pros -- they're just all very large figures that don't fall prone to most of the PVC Reaper used weaknesses.

I'm glad Reaper is wanting to improve as them staying successful is a plus for the miniature hobby as no one else does the scale of production they do with most of their stuff not being really for one game or another. But other manufacturers like Wizkids, CMoN and Monolith have really left them behind in quality.
   
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Mighty Kroxigor Ancient





California the Southern

I would concede CMON and Monolith surpassing them in detail (especially at regular human folk scale), but Wizkidsd?

I dunno about that one...some have been just as bad, if not worse, than some of those early Bones in terms of details folding in on each other.

I might put together an order just to try one of these things out though. Curious about it...

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Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
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Well, my thoughts about Reaper, CMON, Monollith, etc. is that they don't all make the same sculpts (or games!), so I'll pick up whichever company offers a sculpt I don't have at a reasonable price. I'm also an advanced tabletop painter who paints for gaming, so a good sculpt for a figure I need for a game is preferable over one that's higher quality but whose sculpt doesn't match. I'm kind of tired of using an ogre miniature when the scenario calls for a minotaur!

Still, I'm currently painting Tiny Furniture's resin miniatures, and will agree that metal and resin can blow away plastic. But resin and metal are more expensive, and I "need" a wide variety of miniatures for all sorts of gaming, so couldn't afford everything that I have in plastic in metal or resin. OTOH, If you're in the hobby to paint only a few figures, either for display or for your RPG character, then it's probably worthwhile to just buy a few miniatures, of higher quality.

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I would concede CMON and Monolith surpassing them in detail (especially at regular human folk scale), but Wizkidsd?

I dunno about that one...some have been just as bad, if not worse, than some of those early Bones in terms of details folding in on each other.


I don't have much of Wizkids D&D but I do have a gnome druid and some rat swarms on my desk and both of these blow anything reaper has ever put into bones at that size out of the water. If you're talking about a different line, like Clix, then maybe. I haven't followed those in years but they were never impressive but that isn't the point of those figures.
   
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I'm curious to see the side by side comparisons of the black vs white reaper bones once they hit the store shelves. I tend not to trust the cherry picked promo pics as even crappy kickstarted PVC products from 5 years ago looked good in those.

   
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I wonder if when Bones goes black, will it ever go back?







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Svalarheima, MA

Yikes!

(Close one there...)

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On prepping Bones - wash with dish soap and water - using an old toothbrush.

When cleaning mold lines and flash off - use the edge of a sharp hobby knife, and slice, not scrape the lines off.

I never had any problem resetting using hot water, so I have no idea what went wrong with Valentine's attempts.

All pretty much standard for any vinyl modeling.

The blobbiness... yeah, some of the early Bones are... less than stellar.

That said, I have hopes that Reaper can at least match, or nearly match, that of WizKids Deep Cuts line. (Extremely happy with the Deep Cuts and Nolzur's lines.)

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Ipswich, Australia

Thanks folks - about to paint my first Bones figure, so the feedback is much appreciated...

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Cygnwulf: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/84314-announcing-reaper-bones-black/&page=5

Got mine in today, so first impressions and a few pictures. I'm uploading straight from my phone so the pick dump will be at the end.

This new material is hard. There is virtually no flex at all, and it feels about like some resins I've worked with. He is all one piece, but with a separate sculpted base, so rather excited about that.

The color is darker that the previous 'grey' bones, which really shows off the fine detail in the feathers. In the second pic are Kord, in white bonsium, and part of kyphrixis in grey

Lastly he is a great intimidating size to face down your adventurers. Or Sir Forscale in a pinch.


Corsair:

No, it is not that easy to cut. This is a tough, hard material. Think more along the lines of an ABS plastic, I bounced this thing around and it is very tough, it will stand up to transport and use. I am thrilled that I found out new CAVs will be made from this. The few lines that needed to be trimmed were easily cut with a sharp Xacto knife.


CorallineAlgae:

Just got my order in! This new material is shockingly firm, :: and looks to have metal mini level detail. The mold lines are very minor and in easy places to remove, like along the ends of the arm feathers, the outside edges of the feet, across the brow of the face and up the ears. I haven't tried removing them yet, but with such a hard plastic it should be night and day easier than soft bones models. Most of them would be hard to notice on a painted figure without removing them at all. Like the others have said, I do with the left arm wasn't glued on at the factory. It's gonna be hard to get in there with a brush.

Overall, the new plastic looks even better than I had hoped. We're gonna need way more than one chunky figure to know what to expect from Bones Black. Cannot wait to see some BoBla characters minis. I already have quite a few of the Bones IV expansion minis in metal. Looking forward to priming them all up grey and comparing the figures side by side.




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"And while I'm forgiving of one mishap, this string of incidences suggests the problem is with the project managers, not whom they hire, what materials they are using, what language their backers are using, etc. I do notice that entrepreneurs have more self-confidence than other people, and need it to persevere bad luck and obstacles. But this self-confidence can turn into "do nothing wrong" blindness, which prevents these people from admitting mistakes and improving themselves." -- September 3, 2014 
   
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Houston, TX

The new material looks quite good. I wonder if it's some variation of Trollforge restic?

I really wish they'd made us aware they were changing the mix for Bones 4... I would have actually added stuff to the pledge manager. As is I kicked in a buck to see the show, but I'd had my fill trying to wrangle decent paint jobs on man sized Bones figures where I couldnt even tell what half the detail was.
   
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 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
The new material looks quite good. I wonder if it's some variation of Trollforge restic?


Doubt they would be manufacturing it in China if that was the case.

Interesting they went with that hard of a material as one of the advertised benefits of bones was how easy it is to cut up and kit bash.
   
 
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