+1 to Armour save rolls for Adeptus & Heretic Astartes if....

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**Galef**

BaconCatBug wrote:
How much would the game break if ADEPTUS ASTARTES and HERETIC ASTARTES got the following rule:
Transhuman Physiology and Really Gud Armour: When making saving throws (excluding invulnerable saving throws) for a model with this rule, add 1 to the result if the weapon being used to make the attack has an Armour Penetration characteristic of -1.

I don't think it would break anything. But it is so situational, I don't think it would do much to make Marines "gud". More likely this would make HB and Autocannons even more crap.

Rather than have then ignore AP-1, it should be +1 to armour saves outside 12". That would effectively ignore AP-1, but also help against other weapons and not directly target any specific weapon type

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**Poly Ranger**

I would be more open to the idea with such a condition. It would however be a massive boon to gunline marines yet do comparatively little for BA, SW or assaulty Chaos.

**some bloke**

I'm not keen on the idea of being safer over 12" away, it just sounds like it's more likely to clash with several tactics.

I prefer the idea of +1 to save rolls if targeted by AP0. I also think that this should be applied to all vehicles as well, and that's the "power armour" thing - sharing a rule which usually only applies to tanks.

**Slayer-Fan123**

some bloke wrote:
I'm not keen on the idea of being safer over 12" away, it just sounds like it's more likely to clash with several tactics.

I prefer the idea of +1 to save rolls if targeted by AP0. I also think that this should be applied to all vehicles as well, and that's the "power armour" thing - sharing a rule which usually only applies to tanks.

Except Rubrics already have that. What are they going to be given to compensate?

**some bloke**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
some bloke wrote:
I'm not keen on the idea of being safer over 12" away, it just sounds like it's more likely to clash with several tactics.

I prefer the idea of +1 to save rolls if targeted by AP0. I also think that this should be applied to all vehicles as well, and that's the "power armour" thing - sharing a rule which usually only applies to tanks.

Except Rubrics already have that. What are they going to be given to compensate?

perhaps +1 to saves if targeted by AP0 or AP-1.

I'm not 100% what a Rubric is, but if it's a different army then there's not even any need for them to be given anything just because other units are being fixed using "their" rule.

if a rubric is a marine, then I would say that they should get +1 to saves vs AP-1. (AP0 already being covered by the marines own rules).

Alternatively, and this will help terminators as well, give +1 to saves against anything S4 or less to marines & vehicles. The aim is to make them more resilient to small-arms, but if that makes them more resilient than a tank, then the tank needs improving too.

Rule suggestion:

Heavy Armour: this unit gains +1 to saves against any weapons whose strength does not exceed this units toughness.

slap it on all decent tanks and on marines (and anything else which it makes sense to go on EG Meganobs, bullgryns with slabshields), and it'll make marines much more survivable to small arms, and give strong weapons a purpose of killing tanks.

Then the rubrics, if they have this rule, will have +2 to saves vs AP0 S4 or less weapons.

this would keep the "anything can hurt anything" but bring back a bit of the "there's no point shooting a lasgun at a battlewagon" vibe from older editions.

**Kall3m0n**

Marines do NOT need better save. If regular fracking marines got a 2+, then what would terminators get? 2+ inv and 3+ FNP? And what about Custodes? Custodes with 1+ armour save and 3+ inv? Marines -both Chaos and loyalist scum- are fine with their 3+. Have you ever heard the term "power creep"? If you want better saves, play Custodes.

**Slayer-Fan123**

some bloke wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
some bloke wrote:
I'm not keen on the idea of being safer over 12" away, it just sounds like it's more likely to clash with several tactics.

I prefer the idea of +1 to save rolls if targeted by AP0. I also think that this should be applied to all vehicles as well, and that's the "power armour" thing - sharing a rule which usually only applies to tanks.

Except Rubrics already have that. What are they going to be given to compensate?

perhaps +1 to saves if targeted by AP0 or AP-1.

I'm not 100% what a Rubric is, but if it's a different army then there's not even any need for them to be given anything just because other units are being fixed using "their" rule.

if a rubric is a marine, then I would say that they should get +1 to saves vs AP-1. (AP0 already being covered by the marines own rules).

Alternatively, and this will help terminators as well, give +1 to saves against anything S4 or less to marines & vehicles. The aim is to make them more resilient to small-arms, but if that makes them more resilient than a tank, then the tank needs improving too.

Rule suggestion:

Heavy Armour: this unit gains +1 to saves against any weapons whose strength does not exceed this units toughness.

slap it on all decent tanks and on marines (and anything else which it makes sense to go on EG Meganobs, bullgryns with slabshields), and it'll make marines much more survivable to small arms, and give strong weapons a purpose of killing tanks.

Then the rubrics, if they have this rule, will have +2 to saves vs AP0 S4 or less weapons.

this would keep the "anything can hurt anything" but bring back a bit of the "there's no point shooting a lasgun at a battlewagon" vibe from older editions.

Rubric Marines. Or Thousand Sons if that helps you.