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Never understood the Land Raider/Repulsor thing either. I love the look of the Repulsor, so I bought one the week they were released. But, I do think Primaris should fit in Land Raiders. And, after the Repulsor and rules for it were released, I saw several videos on YouTube where people had made house rules that Primaris could ride in Land Raiders.

In any friendly game, I doubt that you'd really have any trouble with people agreeing to Land Raiders being transports for Primaris. I know I wouldn't mind at all.

SG

It's clear that this is simply early evidence that the two ranges will be separated in the future.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Terminators can't fit in a Rhino, so I don't think we can argue for Gravis armor being able to fit in.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Terminators can't fit in a Rhino, so I don't think we can argue for Gravis armor being able to fit in.

They can fit in Chimera though. Go figure.

As of now, I am just puzzled how the hell primaris actually deploy anywhere. Drop pods? Nope. Flyers? Naah, stuff that can lift a dread obviously can't fit even a single primaris marine. Obviously. Teleportariums? Don't be silly, you need Deathwatch USB II to USB C backpack port converters for that. Actually using that stealth power armour and sneaking in? Nope, no can do, unless you paint armour in monochrome livery. Etc, etc...

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Let me rephrase myself, then. I have things worth transporting, but nothing worth transporting in a Repulsor. It, like the Land Raider, is just too expensive to have another expensive unit on board.

If I had a 70 point lightly-armed carrier for Hellblasters or Aggressors, I'd be pretty happy would probably pick up some of both. But a 300 point carrier with a 250 point unit on board is not something I want in my army. As a tank-tank, the Repulsor seems okay. I don't know if I'm going to get one, but that's because I don't know if my 5th army will be one that's allowed to use them. But putting things into it isn't something I want to do. It's not worthwhile to put cheap things in it [and if that's what it's carrying, I would rather have not had and not paid for the transport ability], and if I put expensive things in it there's too many points invested in it.

The Repulsor is an awesome unit and it's totally worth it unless you play against a Castellan in every game.

Also to be perfectly honest I don't want Primaris to ever get anything like a Rhino. Why should an elite fighting force get around in the worst transport vehicle in the galaxy?

Marines have used them for years but its still rubbish when you think about it..

 Irbis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Terminators can't fit in a Rhino, so I don't think we can argue for Gravis armor being able to fit in.

They can fit in Chimera though. Go figure.

As of now, I am just puzzled how the hell primaris actually deploy anywhere. Drop pods? Nope. Flyers? Naah, stuff that can lift a dread obviously can't fit even a single primaris marine. Obviously. Teleportariums? Don't be silly, you need Deathwatch USB II to USB C backpack port converters for that. Actually using that stealth power armour and sneaking in? Nope, no can do, unless you paint armour in monochrome livery. Etc, etc...

Well, the Thunderhawk can carry Primaris, per forgeworld rules. Reivers can grav chute in obviously. And the new comic book shows Primaris using drop pods, so maybe thats on the way.

My head canon is that Repulsors are dropped off Thunderhawk heavy transports at low altitude (they are grav vehicles after all), and then deploy their infantry as needed.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Let me rephrase myself, then. I have things worth transporting, but nothing worth transporting in a Repulsor. It, like the Land Raider, is just too expensive to have another expensive unit on board.

If I had a 70 point lightly-armed carrier for Hellblasters or Aggressors, I'd be pretty happy would probably pick up some of both. But a 300 point carrier with a 250 point unit on board is not something I want in my army. As a tank-tank, the Repulsor seems okay. I don't know if I'm going to get one, but that's because I don't know if my 5th army will be one that's allowed to use them. But putting things into it isn't something I want to do. It's not worthwhile to put cheap things in it [and if that's what it's carrying, I would rather have not had and not paid for the transport ability], and if I put expensive things in it there's too many points invested in it.

Yeah, in my few games with my one Repulsor its mostly just a big expensvie target. He's not tough enough to be reliable (T8 3+ doesn't mean much these days), but he's too big and important to get ignored. I've seen some guys on youtube do well running more than one, and just plopping basic infantry in them, more to protect the tank than to use the tank as transport.

The thing I dislike the most about the Repulsor is that all its damn weaponry has different ranges. I need a checklist to remember to fire them all.

 Ishagu wrote:
The Repulsor is an awesome unit and it's totally worth it unless you play against a Castellan in every game.

Also to be perfectly honest I don't want Primaris to ever get anything like a Rhino. Why should an elite fighting force get around in the worst transport vehicle in the galaxy?

Marines have used them for years but its still rubbish when you think about it..

Rhinos were awesome until this edition ruined them because they were cheap, had fire points and did there job well. They got your guys were they needed to go and gave them some protection or served as a solid bunker to help them hold out when they get there. Marines shouldn't need a vehicle with a ton of guns because their infantry are the threat or at least should be.

Argonak: Never take one Repulsor. You have no redundancy, and you're chosing your opponent's targets for him.

I'm immediately questioning your ability and aptitude at the game.

If you run it you must take 2.

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Not Online!!! wrote:

Karol wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?

Pure buisness decision.
Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.

Or maybe the noble machine spirt of a land raider knows that primaris are a tech abomination and don't let them in.

See you wouldn't have this problem with Daemonengines, way more reliable, all let in equally and eaten also equally.

Probably only partialy true, the chaos land raider would be used to the 10k old taste of good old legion space marines. Suddenly being given a chaos primaris, would be a bit like my moms husband reaction to korean fusion cooking after 40 years of living on a polish meat diet. The new marines would just not taste the same.
Maybe tzeench demons would like it, they are in to the whole change thing. But in general we like the same old stories, same old food and same old things.
New things=bad.

As long as those new fangled primaris have blood &/or skulls Khorne doesn't care.

 argonak wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Terminators can't fit in a Rhino, so I don't think we can argue for Gravis armor being able to fit in.

They can fit in Chimera though. Go figure.

As of now, I am just puzzled how the hell primaris actually deploy anywhere. Drop pods? Nope. Flyers? Naah, stuff that can lift a dread obviously can't fit even a single primaris marine. Obviously. Teleportariums? Don't be silly, you need Deathwatch USB II to USB C backpack port converters for that. Actually using that stealth power armour and sneaking in? Nope, no can do, unless you paint armour in monochrome livery. Etc, etc...

Well, the Thunderhawk can carry Primaris, per forgeworld rules. Reivers can grav chute in obviously. And the new comic book shows Primaris using drop pods, so maybe thats on the way.

My head canon is that Repulsors are dropped off Thunderhawk heavy transports at low altitude (they are grav vehicles after all), and then deploy their infantry as needed.

Well, that was more of a joke how DW can teleport primaris in, and RG ones can sneak in, but somehow no one else is able to figure out how that works despite regularly doing so with oldmarines.

And yeah, it would be nice if primaris got a drop pod and/or light transport, but as long as GW writers continue to be stupid about fitting them in, I won't be holding my breath...

 Ishagu wrote:
Argonak: Never take one Repulsor. You have no redundancy, and you're chosing your opponent's targets for him.

I'm immediately questioning your ability and aptitude at the game.

If you run it you must take 2.

Especially in a Primaris army. With the CA point drops it's a little more palatable to run a couple. With the new Primaris coming out there might possibly be something to stick in it, too.

 Irbis wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.

Terminators can't fit in a Rhino, so I don't think we can argue for Gravis armor being able to fit in.

They can fit in Chimera though. Go figure.

As of now, I am just puzzled how the hell primaris actually deploy anywhere. Drop pods? Nope. Flyers? Naah, stuff that can lift a dread obviously can't fit even a single primaris marine. Obviously. Teleportariums? Don't be silly, you need Deathwatch USB II to USB C backpack port converters for that. Actually using that stealth power armour and sneaking in? Nope, no can do, unless you paint armour in monochrome livery. Etc, etc...

Not anymore technically, though you are right that in 7th they kinda forgot about that.

 Ishagu wrote:
Argonak: Never take one Repulsor. You have no redundancy, and you're chosing your opponent's targets for him.

I'm immediately questioning your ability and aptitude at the game.

If you run it you must take 2.

Im using a repulsor to protect a land raider.

 Ishagu wrote:
It's clear that this is simply early evidence that the two ranges will be separated in the future.

Agreed. As we've discussed on the other thread, GW are likely to continue to support rules for standard marine units (including transports) indefinitely so as not to alienate a large proportion of existing players, but they may not sell the miniatures for ever. If they do stop selling standard marine units they don't want to be seen to be removing Primaris options...

 Corennus wrote:
Should Land Raiders be able to take Primaris Marines? After all they can take larger Terminators and Custodes.....

Shouldn't Repulsors be able to take the smaller Power Armour marines and scouts??


I KNOW from a marketing view it's to ensure that players fielding Primaris have to buy the Repulsor.....but surely tt's totally illogical?

You answered your own question already. 40K units operate in a sales driven environment. I thought everybody was aware of this.

I don't think people are crowing over how broken calgar and spear guy were from the last Vigilus book

nevermind.

 fraser1191 wrote:
I don't think people are crowing over how broken calgar and spear guy were from the last Vigilus book

How is calgar broken? Do you mean broken as in, he sucks, or broken as in, he is too OP. Cause i used him in a tournament recently and he did pretty decent, although he was killed by a stompa in the last game, but he did a respectable amount of damage beforehand!

 FEARtheMoose wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
I don't think people are crowing over how broken calgar and spear guy were from the last Vigilus book

How is calgar broken? Do you mean broken as in, he sucks, or broken as in, he is too OP. Cause i used him in a tournament recently and he did pretty decent, although he was killed by a stompa in the last game, but he did a respectable amount of damage beforehand!

I think that with how hyper meta is right now, adding anything but the most OP unit to the game, just won't generate a lot of reaction from players. The raptor guy is at best a worse lord, and calgar good or not just ain't a primarch, and the point difference isn't big enough to consider calgar cheap. There for we get no reaction about how either of those characters are. It can even be seen in how long or short a thread is in any sub forum, be it about a unit or whole sub faction. If the IG codex got updated to be better, the thread could easily top 60 pages. If GW did another reprint of the GK book it would be max 20.