Can I have four detachments in my 2000 point army?

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**small_gods**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
small_gods wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Ok, so apparently my GW only allows standard matched play rules, so I can have only three detachments. What do you think I should do, keep the Supreme detachment, or the Outrider, or remove some Bloodletters and add another winged Daemon Prince to create an Air Wing?

You can just add the supreme command HQs to the other detachments you can take up to 3 HQs in battalion and up to 2 in outrider. You'd have to loose one, maybe the bloodmaster?

You can't take daemon princes in an airwing, they're not flyers.

Also you can't take skullreaver on karnak, you can only take it on a daemon pronce with axe or bloodthirster. Finally you really want to run bloodletters in units of 10, 20 or 30. Depending on how many CP you want to spemd. There's no point in running 14 or 25.

I originally had three HQs in my first list for at least two detachments so I might go back to that.

Skullreaver isn't for Karanak, it's for the DP with wings and axe. The length just made it go to another line.

Ok, I thought they were since they have the keyword 'fly.' Thanks for telling me.

I might remove a few and put in another model or two to replace it. I'm just curious, what's wrong with using not using increments of ten for BL units? I've heard that it's better to have a couple more than twenty for a blood banner unit, even if it doesn't reach 30, so as to create some cushioning in case a few in the unit die.

Ahh that makes sense. Dakka is a pain to move text about on, especially if you're using a mobile.

Well you want to deepstrike as many as possible as they're hopeless when they're not in combat. Tough 3 and 5++ will get munched up quickly by basically any shooting.

To get the most out of your CP, with deepstrike strat, you want to use 20 for 1CP or 30 for 2. The idea is that if you take 25 you're paying an extra CP for only 10 extra attacks. If you deepstrike 14 then you're not getting good value either.

You take 10 if you're just filling up cheap battalions. So you could take 2x20 or 2x30 with banner and instrument and 4x10 to fill battalions and do a bit of screening.

Khorne is a bunch of fun to play just needs some planning on how you're going to get as much of your army in mele as quickly as possible.

**ArcaneHorror**

small_gods wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
small_gods wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Ok, so apparently my GW only allows standard matched play rules, so I can have only three detachments. What do you think I should do, keep the Supreme detachment, or the Outrider, or remove some Bloodletters and add another winged Daemon Prince to create an Air Wing?

You can just add the supreme command HQs to the other detachments you can take up to 3 HQs in battalion and up to 2 in outrider. You'd have to loose one, maybe the bloodmaster?

You can't take daemon princes in an airwing, they're not flyers.

Also you can't take skullreaver on karnak, you can only take it on a daemon pronce with axe or bloodthirster. Finally you really want to run bloodletters in units of 10, 20 or 30. Depending on how many CP you want to spemd. There's no point in running 14 or 25.

I originally had three HQs in my first list for at least two detachments so I might go back to that.

Skullreaver isn't for Karanak, it's for the DP with wings and axe. The length just made it go to another line.

Ok, I thought they were since they have the keyword 'fly.' Thanks for telling me.

I might remove a few and put in another model or two to replace it. I'm just curious, what's wrong with using not using increments of ten for BL units? I've heard that it's better to have a couple more than twenty for a blood banner unit, even if it doesn't reach 30, so as to create some cushioning in case a few in the unit die.

Ahh that makes sense. Dakka is a pain to move text about on, especially if you're using a mobile.

Well you want to deepstrike as many as possible as they're hopeless when they're not in combat. Tough 3 and 5++ will get munched up quickly by basically any shooting.

To get the most out of your CP, with deepstrike strat, you want to use 20 for 1CP or 30 for 2. The idea is that if you take 25 you're paying an extra CP for only 10 extra attacks. If you deepstrike 14 then you're not getting good value either.

You take 10 if you're just filling up cheap battalions. So you could take 2x20 or 2x30 with banner and instrument and 4x10 to fill battalions and do a bit of screening.

Khorne is a bunch of fun to play just needs some planning on how you're going to get as much of your army in mele as quickly as possible.

Alright. I'll move some around and see what works. I was thinking of deepstriking my BT as well so that he doesn't get gunned down immediately. As for my banner unit, I've heard that deepstriking them with a Blood Throne with the Crimson Crown can make the Bloodletter bomb considerably more dangerous than it already is.

**small_gods**

Yeah deepstriking the bloodthirster is probably sensible. You're only around 50/50 to get him in after deepstriking him (needing a 9 rerolling).

Crimson crown definately helps, and bllodthrone is a tough herald so it all makes sense to me!

I'd spend as much of your CP as possible on deepstriking for a big turn 2/3 bomb. So you can mitigate some of the unreliability of getting into combat from deepstrike. Just save 3 or so to use the fight again strat for that unit that really needs to finish off a knight etc.

**ArcaneHorror**

small_gods wrote:
Yeah deepstriking the bloodthirster is probably sensible. You're only around 50/50 to get him in after deepstriking him (needing a 9 rerolling).

Crimson crown definately helps, and bllodthrone is a tough herald so it all makes sense to me!

I'd spend as much of your CP as possible on deepstriking for a big turn 2/3 bomb. So you can mitigate some of the unreliability of getting into combat from deepstrike. Just save 3 or so to use the fight again strat for that unit that really needs to finish off a knight etc.

Alright, thanks, I'll see what I can do. I definitely want to use fight again for one of my units. There's just so many ways to use CPs that it can get really daunting for me at times.

**BaconCatBug**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Ok, so apparently my GW only allows standard matched play rules, so I can have only three detachments.
That's self-contradictory...
I mean it goes with the suggestions in the rule book that there should be only three detachments for 2000 point armies.

That is, by definition, not "standard matched play rules".

**Grimtuff**

BaconCatBug wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Crimson wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Ok, so apparently my GW only allows standard matched play rules, so I can have only three detachments.
That's self-contradictory...
I mean it goes with the suggestions in the rule book that there should be only three detachments for 2000 point armies.
That is, by definition, not "standard matched play rules".

Yet an awful lot of people seem to be using them. Keep fighting the good fight though King Canute.

**tneva82**

Standard is by very definition what is the most common way to play. Standard. It's what people agree to play with as the common ground. It's not even something that's in book automatically. It's what forms up. Point size level is also not defined in books yet there's standard for that as well.

**alextroy**

It may be The Standard to utilize the Orginized Play Suggestions when playing matched play, but that does not make them the Standard Matched Play Rules.

**ph34r**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
After realizing today that my fast attack Flesh Hound units did not count as troops for a battalion, I converted it to an outrider detachment. Not wanting to play around with points anymore and have to add/remove some models, I eventually settled on placing my Bloodthirster and two Daemon Princes in a supreme command detachment. This left me with two battalions, one outrider, and one supreme command. In the rule book, it states that it's generally good to have no more than three detachments for a 2000 point army, but that it's not specifically required. I don't think that my local GW will have much problem with it, but as I eventually want to take the army to a tournament (though if I go this year, I'll probably only be playing casual games), I've heard that some events have specific rules in regards to this. Is this an alright army organization? I really want to keep it as is, or otherwise, I will have to do even more points work and have to build even more Bloodletters, something that I am absolutely tired of doing.

Do you actually need a Supreme Command or an Outrider detachment? Can't you fit your units just fine in 3 detachments?

Do you even have 8 HQs in your army? I'm not sure why you are even considering the 4th detachment if you can fit them all just fine into 3 detachments without changing anything.

**Horst**

ph34r wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
After realizing today that my fast attack Flesh Hound units did not count as troops for a battalion, I converted it to an outrider detachment. Not wanting to play around with points anymore and have to add/remove some models, I eventually settled on placing my Bloodthirster and two Daemon Princes in a supreme command detachment. This left me with two battalions, one outrider, and one supreme command. In the rule book, it states that it's generally good to have no more than three detachments for a 2000 point army, but that it's not specifically required. I don't think that my local GW will have much problem with it, but as I eventually want to take the army to a tournament (though if I go this year, I'll probably only be playing casual games), I've heard that some events have specific rules in regards to this. Is this an alright army organization? I really want to keep it as is, or otherwise, I will have to do even more points work and have to build even more Bloodletters, something that I am absolutely tired of doing.

Do you actually need a Supreme Command or an Outrider detachment? Can't you fit your units just fine in 3 detachments?

Do you even have 8 HQs in your army? I'm not sure why you are even considering the 4th detachment if you can fit them all just fine into 3 detachments without changing anything.

I mean, the obvious reason is the 1 extra CP you get if you take another detachment, but that's exactly why there are limits, otherwise you'd have guys taking 3 battalions of Loyal 32.