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My Roman vetrans for a Lusitanian army. My hands are not working, so I purchased these.

Moar pix!

So here is my current Lusatania list this what I'd want to take to a tourney. I cant locate my burning wagons though...so I may have to replace them...

List: 89 Ancient Spanish-Lusatanians Init:3


1st Corp( Normally fights in the center): CIC: Sertorious Strategos Included
1 Veteran Legionarii HI Swordsman Armor Impact Elite Includes General
3 Veteran Legionarii HI Swordsman Armor Impact Elite
2 Lusatanian Scutarii (Singularii) MI Swordsman Impact Elite

2nd Corp Sub General Mario Alius Lupus Comp

6 Scutarii MI Swordsman Impact Ord (trained by Romans)
2 Caetradii LI w/Javelins
2 Burning Ox carts ( this is really only useful to break up Cav formations I had 6 points left over)

3 rd Corp Master of Horse Sub General Included Ordinary

1 Spanish Cav MC Elite Includes General
2 Spanish Cav MC Elite
3 Spanish LH w/Javelins


Budget: 200 1 Fortified Camp
So "Standard" set up is
2nd Corp, 1st Corp, 3rd Corp depending of terrain and foe.

That included strategist is going to make your opponents very happy if they can kill him. Your lists are looking better though.

The histories say that Satorius was "with the troops" and carried standard infantry gear...so I figure that is how he should be. Basicly this is my regular Spanish, just turned up to 10. Instead of Celtbarian mercinaries, you have Roman veterans. The one place whaere the 200 really shows is the lack of Caetradii there "should" be as many Caetradi as all the rest combined. Some source say the Lusitanians didn't even use Scutarii at all, but rather formed some Caetradii into tighter blocks when needed. But I figure Sertorius convinced them to adopt the Scrutum while training them...

Fair enough, I'm getting used to my games having about as much in common with history as warhammer. At least you'll have a good excuse if you lose.

It's true that a game is not history. But a good simulation should "feel" real enough to imurse. I'd suggest giving actual historic tactics a try. They worked in history for a reason.

Hmm, I may have come off wrong...When I started wargaming I played to win only, but once I started using historic tactics, I found myself deeper into the game. And my win loss rate did not suffer noticably...

You don't have to have an included general to reflect him fighting. You can chose to have a general join a combat for a +1 modifier to your dice roll. Included generals are better when you're desperate for points, or if you've got a micro-command of 2-3 stands.

I hear you. It was Roman historians that described Sertorius, and they made it clear how different he was. When Caesar joined his 10th he called for equipment, and got off his horse. Sertorius carried Scrutum, and Pilum. I am ex military, so I tend to read terrain to construct "kill boxes" and look to find the " schwerplunkt" and I won loads of games that way...but the schwerplunkt" concept did not exist really untill the mid to late 1800's. So I try Not to use those sorts of concepts with ancients. I remember the moment I "got" it. I was playing German Holy Romans vs Hussites, and I had a huge gap in my lines...my foe kept running units into the gap to exploit it, but they kept getting wiped out. After the game my buddy was wondering about it ( he played the Hussites) and I explained that the "gap" was just a well disguised "kill box". He had no idea what I was talking about.......So I felt as though I was cheating....I try to avoid that these days.

Finished up the Singularii, the bases still need a little work...

Above view.

Well, my hands are not getting better. So I will put the Qin on "hold" for now. That means I won't be posting unless I get a game in, and give a bat rep...Take care.

Well my health has taken a turn for the better...so I plan to make a Q'in army for ADLG.

I suppose a list is the first step. So I'll work on one over Thanksgiving. I need to do some Vetran stuff, but I am hoping it will go smoothly.


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OK this is my first pass list:

Q'in warring states #80

1 Corp" Sun Bin Strategist
1 4 Horse chariot, includes General Elite Impact
1 4 horse chariot Elite Impact

4 Light Horse, Bows

2 Heavy Cav, Crossbows

2nd Corp Sui Yi Competant
1 4 horse chariot, includes General, Elite Impact
6 HI Swordsmen Impact Elite
1 Light inf, bow

3rd Corp Yan Hi Compitant
1 4 Horse chariot, includes General Impact Elite
6 Bowmen Medicore
6 Field Fort: Ditch and Stakes

Fortified Camp

200 points exactly.

https://www.madaxeman.com/adlg/tiki-index.php?page=Warring+States 7 different 200 AP lists here. All of them are much better than yours

Including a strageist in a unit is nuts as he will die and cost you points, as is using a strategist in a tiny command that has very few units for him to move.
Including all of your generals, and including competent generals is also pretty nuts.
Spreading chariots in penny packets is a bad idea. They need to be in a big block
Wih this command structure the army is close to breaking on the loss of the 3 generals alone.
Bw(I) are filler or support for strong mounted wings. Take as few as possible. A command of 6 Poor Bw is a speed bump for which anything crossing it will again almost break your army. The stakes will not help against enemy infantry who will make a bee-line for this command

Sounds like some good points. I'll go ahead and build some foot general stands as well, so I can try out both builds. if the enemy infantry makes a bee line for my Bow, then it is up to me to exploit this (hopefully by turning the formations flank) The Q'in army seems to have been well known for their Bow elements, so I figure I'll give them a try, I might need to add some more cavalry though. The infantry is expensive so I need to cut someplace...


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Took a look at the lists posted. Only One has a big block of Chariots. The rest don't seem to use included Generals, but do us "penny packet" units of cav (two Ch, two HC, two LH) (for example) so I don't see the case as open and shut. 8 stands of mounted troops seems like a resonable command. Though, only time will tell.

Ok, alternate list


List 80 Warring states, Q'in

Corp A

Cic Sun Bin Strategos
4 four horse chariots Impact Elite
4 HU LH, Bows

Corp B

Sub general Sui Yi Comp.

3 HI swordsmen Impact Elite
2 Bowmen Ord.

5 Field fort.

Corp C

Sub general Yan Hi Comp.

3 HI swordsmen Impact Elite
2 Bowmen Ord.


Fort Camp 197 total points....Better?

Starting work on Qin

Foot Brigade Red

Second try...Sorry I am have problems loading the correct pix hopefully I'll have another unit done by Sunday


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Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I kind of cheated on Corp Red as I canibalised my DBA heavy infantry. I can't really paint things that fast!

Horse Brigade

Still churning away, I should have pix of the whole army soon.