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 Karhedron wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What story is that from?

It is the Gav Thorpe story "Shadows of the Past" which is included in the "Sons of the Emperor" anthology.

It is interesting to note that Corax kicks Lorgar's tail after his ascension to daemonhood. One of the Word Bearers is shocked to see Lorgar bleeding Chaos runes instead of blood. Corax seems to have found a way to power up to the point he can go toe-to-toe with the Daemon Primarchs without actually turning to Chaos himself.

Well a Daemon Lorgar and a Loyalist Anybody might be an even match. Lorgar was never a powerhouse (relatively speaking, in comparison to his relatives) before his ascension. He was always more Philosopher King than Warrior King.

Breton wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What story is that from?

It is the Gav Thorpe story "Shadows of the Past" which is included in the "Sons of the Emperor" anthology.

It is interesting to note that Corax kicks Lorgar's tail after his ascension to daemonhood. One of the Word Bearers is shocked to see Lorgar bleeding Chaos runes instead of blood. Corax seems to have found a way to power up to the point he can go toe-to-toe with the Daemon Primarchs without actually turning to Chaos himself.

Well a Daemon Lorgar and a Loyalist Anybody might be an even match. Lorgar was never a powerhouse (relatively speaking, in comparison to his relatives) before his ascension. He was always more Philosopher King than Warrior King.

I dunno, once he started channeling the warp unrestrained he went from bottem of the primarchs scale to IMHO near the top.

BrianDavion wrote:

Silver144 wrote:
Just to be sure, is this "perpetual" thing has any other source besides one BL author?
I didn's saw this word in codex or rulebook.

it's been mentioned in some of the other HH stuff, but it's not like they're going around declaring all the various 40k heros as being perpetuals.

I think one of the retconned Grey Knight named characters was a Perpetual. That's about it though.

Dorn is dead, there is not way he is not, given what we know of his character he would not leave the imperium and go on a merry adventure, he would be duty bound to stay and lead.

The primarchs Conrad Kurze outright states he was "torn apart" but does not say when, oddly enough though it seems to leave a strange hint at Sevatars fate.

 Formosa wrote:
Dorn is dead, there is not way he is not, given what we know of his character he would not leave the imperium and go on a merry adventure, he would be duty bound to stay and lead.

The primarchs Conrad Kurze outright states he was "torn apart" but does not say when, oddly enough though it seems to leave a strange hint at Sevatars fate.

Dorn is dead until it is more profitable for GW for him to be not-dead.

Also the novels imply heavily that Kurze is a nihilist and so takes the worst view of his visions.

All that was recovered of Dorn was a charred hand. However we know from "Praetorian of Dorn" that



That gives GW enough wiggle room if they ever wanted to bring Dorn back IMHO.

 Formosa wrote:
Dorn is dead, there is not way he is not, given what we know of his character he would not leave the imperium and go on a merry adventure, he would be duty bound to stay and lead.

The primarchs Conrad Kurze outright states he was "torn apart" but does not say when, oddly enough though it seems to leave a strange hint at Sevatars fate.

Agreed. Weren't the Black Legion marines who did it bragging about it to Abaddon? I mean, it would be pretty stupid to lie to someone like Abaddon about something like that. His death is never explicitly shown, but there is enough circumstantial evidence through (fairly) reliable secondhand accounts, including Curze's visions and the Librarian that supposedly found Dorn's corpse to pretty definitively say that Dorn is dead. If they do decide to bring him back, I would argue it is a retcon rather than something that fits with the established lore.

Breton wrote:
Well a Daemon Lorgar and a Loyalist Anybody might be an even match. Lorgar was never a powerhouse (relatively speaking, in comparison to his relatives) before his ascension. He was always more Philosopher King than Warrior King.

After Lorgar turned to chaos, he was totally different. His martial skills improved considerably to the point where Angron was both shocked and impressed (and told Lorgar so). His psychic skills also jumped to the point where he is probably second only to Magnus in terms of raw power.

Rogal Dorn - assumed alive? No proof though soo...MIA

Corax - after fething over his sons flew off into the Eye of Terror saying "Nevermore", so assumed alive, but he left alone so until GWS decided to make a model out of him he's assumed MIA or dead.

Kahn - his planet was attacked he grabbed some dudes and chased after the xenos into the webway - MIA.

Russ - looking for Yggdrasil in the webway - MIA

Sanguinuis - died after horus tortured him so badly his sons felt it in the past and now they crazy boys. Could possibly come back as a Daemon Prince of the star child.

Ferrus- died by beheading by fulgrim or vulgrim w/e.

Vulkan - is a "perpetual" something that just happens to 1 in like 10 quintillion people that makes them pretty much immortal able to come back from having their brains literally melted. After fighting "The Beast" (pretty much an ork primarch) he disappeared as is assumed dead/MIA.

Lion- asleep beneath "The Rock"

You could also make a point for Alpharius and Omegon as they seem to be working the background of everything, think of them as chaotic good...?

Also the two missing primarchs are unknown and the only thing we know about them is that they exist.

Rahdok wrote:
Corax - after fething over his sons flew off into the Eye of Terror saying "Nevermore", so assumed alive, but he left alone so until GWS decided to make a model out of him he's assumed MIA or dead.

Definitely not dead (see the above posts). Corax is the reason Lorgar hasn't left the Eye since the Heresy. He wasn't praying, he was hiding!

 Karhedron wrote:

Rahdok wrote:
Corax - after fething over his sons flew off into the Eye of Terror saying "Nevermore", so assumed alive, but he left alone so until GWS decided to make a model out of him he's assumed MIA or dead.

Definitely not dead (see the above posts). Corax is the reason Lorgar hasn't left the Eye since the Heresy. He wasn't praying, he was hiding!

I feel a little bad for him. He finally stops being the pathetic unwanted and shunned Primarch and gets some actual power and position then Corax beats him up (again) as what's basically a Demon Loyalist Primarch.