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I honestly just assumed it was so they could keep warhammer 40k40k no matter what they did in the timeline.
The timeline had already moved well into M42 long before GW dropped the pretense of trying to maintain a consistent timeline, so that would make little sense.
well GW's basicly said on an IC level the time keeping system is a mess. which is admittingly somewhat grimdark, the IoM is so dysfunctional they're not even sure what the date is!
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
GW did an IC explanation for GW's past timeline inconsistencies. In the novel Dark Imperium there is a scene with Guilliman thinking about the dating system and how there had been variants over the many centuries. By the main 5 variants, Guilliman calculated the "current" year to be anywhere between early M41 and a millennium later. So up to a 10% difference.
The only problem though is now it becomes hard to tell the sequence of events for out of universe readers, except by passing references made within stories. Did Guilliman do A before B or B before A? Hard to have a character arc without a clear chronology.
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1. So the whole speculation about the Big E just being a husk is wrong? He is still physically "alive"? It can speak?
we dunno the full details (for allw e know he has a text to speach device) but most likely he communicates psyicly and his corpse is sort of an anchor to reality
2. Do the codex's have fluff/lore updates, or do we depend on the books for those?
they do indeed, although the quality of those updates depends on the codex. codex space marines ahs a fair bit of stuff, whereas I found codex grey knights to be a complete dissappointment. (I'm talking luff wise not rules wise just so we're clear)
I found DW, Custodes, and IG to be disappointing for Fluff. It basically rehashed the news of 7th, and then went onto the Historicity of each faction. I know what Deathwatch is, I don't need to know where their home bases are, I want to know if there are any big things that concern them.
I've got the DW book to hand - I suggest looking at the events on pages 26 & 27. all of which concern things which happened since Guilliman was healed. There's also new material on any of the Primaris unit pages, where it talks about how the DW have adapted to making use of the Giantmaris.
Is there as much new material as you might hope for? Maybe not. But there are certainly some significant points in there.
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I honestly just assumed it was so they could keep warhammer 40k40k no matter what they did in the timeline.
The timeline had already moved well into M42 long before GW dropped the pretense of trying to maintain a consistent timeline, so that would make little sense.
Or has it?
That’s the whole reason for Girlyman getting the Logos Historica into gear as the timeline of the imperium is so fethed up. Though even they cannot agree with the Ordo Chronos.
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I honestly just assumed it was so they could keep warhammer 40k40k no matter what they did in the timeline.
The timeline had already moved well into M42 long before GW dropped the pretense of trying to maintain a consistent timeline, so that would make little sense.
Or has it?
That’s the whole reason for Girlyman getting the Logos Historica into gear as the timeline of the imperium is so fethed up. Though even they cannot agree with the Ordo Chronos.
That would be even more nonsensical though: GW stop including timeline dates because they don't want to have to rename 40K 41K or whatever (ignore that there's plenty of events which happen before M41 too, so the date clearly doesn't impact the name so directly). Then GW say that the timeline is all messed up like an Elder Scrolls Dragon Break so nobody knows what the date really is (ignore that Terra has presumably been keeping track by, y'know, simply counting days; and the established Imperial dating system already accounts for timey-wimey-ness). So the 'real' date could be before M41, so they'd have to change the name anyway, unless it's in fact arbitrary, in which case there would have been no problem in the first place!
Or GW just couldn't be bothered to keep their timelines consistent.
I know which I think is more likely.
I don't mind time being all messed up by warp storms being everywhere, but that doesn't necessitate abandoning the dating of timeline events. Just make the date check number a 9 or something for events affected by the Great Rift (or at least actually use Guilliman's new dating system in timeline entries!)
I honestly just assumed it was so they could keep warhammer 40k40k no matter what they did in the timeline.
The timeline had already moved well into M42 long before GW dropped the pretense of trying to maintain a consistent timeline, so that would make little sense.
Or has it?
That’s the whole reason for Girlyman getting the Logos Historica into gear as the timeline of the imperium is so fethed up. Though even they cannot agree with the Ordo Chronos.
That would be even more nonsensical though: GW stop including timeline dates because they don't want to have to rename 40K 41K or whatever (ignore that there's plenty of events which happen before M41 too, so the date clearly doesn't impact the name so directly). Then GW say that the timeline is all messed up like an Elder Scrolls Dragon Break so nobody knows what the date really is (ignore that Terra has presumably been keeping track by, y'know, simply counting days; and the established Imperial dating system already accounts for timey-wimey-ness). So the 'real' date could be before M41, so they'd have to change the name anyway, unless it's in fact arbitrary, in which case there would have been no problem in the first place!
Or GW just couldn't be bothered to keep their timelines consistent.
I know which I think is more likely.
I don't mind time being all messed up by warp storms being everywhere, but that doesn't necessitate abandoning the dating of timeline events. Just make the date check number a 9 or something for events affected by the Great Rift (or at least actually use Guilliman's new dating system in timeline entries!)
Agreed, and the old dating system in a book was really based on Terran time anyway.
The dating system described in Vigilus Defiant isn't really that different from the old system, but it would be a horrible mess to keep track of for out of universe readers, with each system potentially having its own date. Though again, unless they were in a permanent different rate of passage of time, I don't see why they couldn't recalibrate to the Terran date once they were no longer affected by warp time distortion. Maybe just add a note to explain oddities such as why huge numbers of events happen within a short period of time for example for a system that experienced 300 years for 1 year of Terran time.
So there really isn't any excuse really except for a lack of effort on GW's part in bothering to keep a continuity. I see it becoming more of a problem down the line when there are even more undated events when we have no clear idea how long event A occurred before event B (nevermind if A did occur before or vice versa). For example in novels we will reach the point where we will be unsure whether Guilliman started reading the Lectitio yesterday or 100 years ago? Knowing that would help understand Guilliman's stance and views.
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Lord Damocles wrote: (ignore that Terra has presumably been keeping track by, y'know, simply counting days; and the established Imperial dating system already accounts for timey-wimey-ness)
They had beheading, reign of blood, nova terra secession, the beast, etc, there is a lot of periods in official timeline where people might be reasonably far too busy with stuff to bother counting. Then there is the whole warp storm mess, what you do if Terra is the planet affected by random storm X and say one year passes there while centuries pass for everyone else? Do you count it as a year, or a century to keep order with the events happening on every other planet? Etc, etc...
Terran time would be the “official” time (for players, High Lords) since it is the capital of the Imperium, while local time can be tracked separately.
There were potential distortions even before the Rift and this edition. All the timelines we got only gave a single date, which is also presumably official Terran time
Iracundus wrote: Terran time would be the “official” time (for players, High Lords) since it is the capital of the Imperium, while local time can be tracked separately.
There were potential distortions even before the Rift and this edition. All the timelines we got only gave a single date, which is also presumably official Terran time
Yes, but what Guilman referred to might be a distortion affecting Terra. What if Terran yeah, say 616 of M35 was really two centuries everywhere else? It would be a year in Terran records, but if you wanted to chronicle events of the whole galaxy, it would be better to mark it as 200 years as the Throne was unhelpful outlier in this case. Otherwise you end up as such nonsense as 40 year long Waagh that took dozens of chapters to beat, but official record states it was a fortnight non-affair that solved itself before High Lords could even vote. Etc, etc...
Iracundus wrote: Terran time would be the “official” time (for players, High Lords) since it is the capital of the Imperium, while local time can be tracked separately.
There were potential distortions even before the Rift and this edition. All the timelines we got only gave a single date, which is also presumably official Terran time
Yes, but what Guilman referred to might be a distortion affecting Terra. What if Terran yeah, say 616 of M35 was really two centuries everywhere else? It would be a year in Terran records, but if you wanted to chronicle events of the whole galaxy, it would be better to mark it as 200 years as the Throne was unhelpful outlier in this case. Otherwise you end up as such nonsense as 40 year long Waagh that took dozens of chapters to beat, but official record states it was a fortnight non-affair that solved itself before High Lords could even vote. Etc, etc...
I don't see what would be so nonsensical about that given that in 40K time distortion is a known issue. However, I would think your scenario would be unlikely given that the effect of the Emperor if anything seems to stabilize things and there are no long lasting warp rifts affecting Terra or throwing Terra out of sync with the rest of realspace. AFAIK the situations are other planets falling out of sync with the rest of the Imperium/Terra. Although you may then still get the phenomenon of a local war lasting decades in local time but only lasting a few weeks in Terra time, the rest of the Imperium (outside the immediate area of the war) for all practical purposes cares only about Terra time.
