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Sgt_Smudge wrote: My guess would be that Cawl tried to make IX and failed, and moved on to X, but given how Cawl actually does absorb consciousnesses and personalities, and the skull of Nikola Tesla is in the 40k universe?
I'm just saying it's not impossible.
Maybe he's Linus Torvalds? The early Linux kernal used odd numbers to denote development versions and even to denote release versions.
Honestly, if they're somewhat related to technology, and we don't see them in 40k, there's a slim chance that they could exist as some gestalt consciousness in Cawl's brain.
You can claim rule of cool and that's fine, but it doesn't conform to the lore, unless you're going to handwave the raven guard magically cramming Mark X helmet innards into a mark VI helmet casing.
Dude why are you even arguing this? The Primaris beakie helmets are right there on the frikkin RG upgrade sprue.
Now you can decide whether you like the aesthetic or not, that's totally your call. But you don't get to dictate what the lore is and trying to argue otherwise is making this you vs GW and everyone else.
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You can claim rule of cool and that's fine, but it doesn't conform to the lore, unless you're going to handwave the raven guard magically cramming Mark X helmet innards into a mark VI helmet casing.
Dude why are you even arguing this? The Primaris beakie helmets are right there on the frikkin RG upgrade sprue.
Now you can decide whether you like the aesthetic or not, that's totally your call. But you don't get to dictate what the lore is and trying to argue otherwise is making this you vs GW and everyone else.
He just likes to harp about Cawl and anything with a high Gothic name. He’s only really useful around here for rules discussions. Pay no heed to him.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
I’ll take my lore info from Jes Goodwin and GW over 1d4chan and BCB any day.
Honestly dude, Jes Goodwin is the goshdarned concept designer and godfather of 40K miniatures. He’s stated, himself, in podcasts you can listen to or even *watch* for free that you can stick whatever helmets you like on Mk X and there are reasons for doing so. Relics, old favourite helmets of Marines who’ve crossed the Rubicon Primaris. The Ravenguard having a brand new Corvus-style lid on suggests there’s even a contemporary source. They’re not even all forced to be relics. This hill you’ve chosen; not a great place to die on. Stop trying to police people’s armies/fun/modelling choices would be my advice... there’s the Horus Heresy forums for that.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
You can claim rule of cool and that's fine, but it doesn't conform to the lore, unless you're going to handwave the raven guard magically cramming Mark X helmet innards into a mark VI helmet casing.
Dude why are you even arguing this? The Primaris beakie helmets are right there on the frikkin RG upgrade sprue.
Now you can decide whether you like the aesthetic or not, that's totally your call. But you don't get to dictate what the lore is and trying to argue otherwise is making this you vs GW and everyone else.
He just likes to harp about Cawl and anything with a high Gothic name. He’s only really useful around here for rules discussions. Pay no heed to him.
That's a bridge too far.....but then they'd come up with a primaris beakie helmet is a primaris one and not an Astartes...yadda yadda yadda. something something RAW something something.
My suppressors will all have beakies when they're released separately.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: So if mark X is compatible with parts from older marks how many older pieces do you need to work in before you can ride in a Rhino again?
keep in mind that due to Primaris being bigger, while in theory they might be compatable, realisticly you'd be limited to helmets, shoulderpads, and maybe gloves.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote: So if mark X is compatible with parts from older marks how many older pieces do you need to work in before you can ride in a Rhino again?
Don’t know. We don’t have any cross-capable torsos, yet.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
One reason for having a beakie helm is indeed that it is a part of an older armour. However, those RG beakie helms have the Primaris design cues (look at the 'ears'), so they're new designs. Just one of the many variant Primaris helmet designs. Personally I love beakies, though I think they look much better on Phobos armour than on the regular Mk X. The beak and the high collar are kind of an awkward combination.
frankly it doesn't suprise me there is a MK X beakie helm. Cawl's experimented with a number of differant helms, I bet he's played with configutations of all the old model ones
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As much as I like the mkiv style, I wish they stuck with mkvii helmets. They were much more iconic and "40k" looking. The Infiltrator helmets are too generic sci-fi looking.
As for beakies, I hated them before, but primaris marines debuted, Ive started to like them in small numbers. I really like the mkx beakies. Its just too bad Shrike cant put his helmet on without a little bit of conversion work -_-
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According to the RPG, corvus armour had better autosenses than aquila -and faster servos, not that that matters with just a helmet.
The trade-off is weaker protection. But a raven guard veteran who is used to surviving by not getting shot at in the first place might think it a reasonable trade and insist on keeping his original helm.
The reason the numbering jumps to mk.X, by the way, is that mk.IX - the 'missing' one - is aegis-pattern: the one the grey knights wear. It's just that relatively few people even knew it existed in the pre-gulliman era.
locarno24 wrote: According to the RPG, corvus armour had better autosenses than aquila -and faster servos, not that that matters with just a helmet.
The trade-off is weaker protection. But a raven guard veteran who is used to surviving by not getting shot at in the first place might think it a reasonable trade and insist on keeping his original helm.
The reason the numbering jumps to mk.X, by the way, is that mk.IX - the 'missing' one - is aegis-pattern: the one the grey knights wear. It's just that relatively few people even knew it existed in the pre-gulliman era.
I don't think it's ever been confirmed MK IX is Aegis pattern has it?
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BrianDavion wrote: frankly it doesn't suprise me there is a MK X beakie helm. Cawl's experimented with a number of differant helms, I bet he's played with configutations of all the old model ones
Cawl had nothing to do with it.
The Raven Guard armories are the ones responsible for the 'beakie' helms.
BrianDavion wrote: frankly it doesn't suprise me there is a MK X beakie helm. Cawl's experimented with a number of differant helms, I bet he's played with configutations of all the old model ones
Cawl had nothing to do with it.
The Raven Guard armories are the ones responsible for the 'beakie' helms.
ohh ewhats your source that the beakie helms are something the raven guard produce themselves?
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locarno24 wrote:According to the RPG, corvus armour had better autosenses than aquila -and faster servos, not that that matters with just a helmet.
The trade-off is weaker protection. But a raven guard veteran who is used to surviving by not getting shot at in the first place might think it a reasonable trade and insist on keeping his original helm.
The reason the numbering jumps to mk.X, by the way, is that mk.IX - the 'missing' one - is aegis-pattern: the one the grey knights wear. It's just that relatively few people even knew it existed in the pre-gulliman era.
I'll take beakies over almost every other mark, well except MKIII.
locarno24 wrote: The reason the numbering jumps to mk.X, by the way, is that mk.IX - the 'missing' one - is aegis-pattern: the one the grey knights wear. It's just that relatively few people even knew it existed in the pre-gulliman era.
Any proof? Because not only GK armour predates Mk VIII by good 8500+ years, it's clearly just Mk VI (look at legs and chest) with modified helmet (which is still very similar to artificer Mk VI helmet from BA tactical squad box)...
DalekCheese wrote: So about 2500+ years after Cawlyboi started his research?
Hardly, Grey Knights appered during the second founding, so their armor was likely developed during that time. if not before. (it's likely their armor etc was something gifted to them right when they where first given titan)
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