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BrianDavion wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
Imperial knight design does seem goofy to me. That is because when compared to the elegant Japanese Anime Gundam that is a giant robot that weights many tons is able to fly faster and more agile than a fighter jet. Complete weeabo fighting magic. Gundams fighting like Dragon Ball Z.

Imperial Knights compared to Battletech Mechwariors, the mechwarriors appear more realistic in design and concept. Melee punch is secondary while ranged weaponry is primary form of attack. Mechwarriors are walking tanks that lumber into position and fire all weapons. Imperial Knight walk briskly and try to swing a giant chainsword. Is it a good idea to use a chainsaw to cut through metal? Not really, because the best saw design is a rotor saw, the kind used to cut car doors open, and even then if you tried to attack with a saw, the tooth gets bent as you swing and glance off the side of the sheet of metal.

Ok, feel a need to correct you here, it's battletech Battlemechs, a Mechwarrior is the driver not the combat unit. and Battletech's been around so long that it's design of units vary pretty wildly.


moving onto that, I'm gonna name something that might be one of the most contriversial... the Lemen Russ.

It just looks a tad clumsy, like it's suffering from an identity crisis and was designed by someone to look "old fashioned and cool" without a thought as to how it'd function. the size of the barrel is rediculas factored against the size of the tank. the amount of ammo it'd be able to store would be tiny. TBH I'd not be opposed to a re-imagine of the entire Guard tank line. taking the basic basic elements of it but making it's scale etc work better

All of that is a feature, not a bug.

White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:
"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.

Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."

Terminators. I hate the dog-headed hunch-backed squatting terminator models. I would have accused them of being the worst models GW has, but there's Centurions, Aggressors, and Inceptors, all of which also look hideous [though are more generally accepted as ugly]
Riptides. Of course, I'm not a Tau player, so presumably they like the giant anime gundam robot, but I don't like it.
Deimos Pattern Anything. I prefer the square drop doors to the round side-hatches immensely, and I also vastly prefer the glacis that's flat with the little armored window cover to the glacis that has 2 bulges for the driver and asst. driver. Like, overall the modern Rhino is just much more preferable to me.
Immolator [the new one]. It's not out yet, but I'm so glad I have like 10 of the old one. Beyond not liking the deimos pattern features, the turret looks ridiculous, the flame guns look really weird, and it just doesn't look like the close relative to the razorback rhino-with-gun that it is.
Malcador. The stretch leman russ without a turret is weird looking. I prefer the Macharius.


And not a whole model, but a feature of a whole product range: Space Marine Helmets. I intensely dislike the little scowly-face helmets that Space Marines have, and don't really think the beakie is great either [though it is a step up for not looking like a scowly face]. The rest of the marine is generally okay, but I vastly prefer helmetless marines. Fortunately, I play Space Wolves.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Terminators. I hate the dog-headed hunch-backed squatting terminator models. I would have accused them of being the worst models GW has, but there's Centurions, Aggressors, and Inceptors, all of which also look hideous [though are more generally accepted as ugly]
Riptides. Of course, I'm not a Tau player, so presumably they like the giant anime gundam robot, but I don't like it.
Deimos Pattern Anything. I prefer the square drop doors to the round side-hatches immensely, and I also vastly prefer the glacis that's flat with the little armored window cover to the glacis that has 2 bulges for the driver and asst. driver. Like, overall the modern Rhino is just much more preferable to me.
Immolator [the new one]. It's not out yet, but I'm so glad I have like 10 of the old one. Beyond not liking the deimos pattern features, the turret looks ridiculous, the flame guns look really weird, and it just doesn't look like the close relative to the razorback rhino-with-gun that it is.
Malcador. The stretch leman russ without a turret is weird looking. I prefer the Macharius.


And not a whole model, but a feature of a whole product range: Space Marine Helmets. I intensely dislike the little scowly-face helmets that Space Marines have, and don't really think the beakie is great either [though it is a step up for not looking like a scowly face]. The rest of the marine is generally okay, but I vastly prefer helmetless marines. Fortunately, I play Space Wolves.

One of the things that irritates me about the Deathwatch armour is the scowly helmet is one of about three heads that fit behind that damned collar without modification.

ooh, my turn. stuff like marines as a whole, especially primaris aside, heres one I know is a lot more liked.

Eldar. the whole range across all the subfactions. i like the Harlequins because of the performance motif and the masks, but even they get docked because I actually hate the "dynamic" posting of things leaping off rocks and masonry. just gimme a dang model standing flat anyday! a hybrid of them and maybe Dark eldar i could find workable, but it's nothing but ships a go-go. that said, they can be neat in their own right, and i wish harlequins had more to work with, because that design is right up my alley otherwise.

Regular eldar? biggest no of them all, i don't even like the infantry's look, and i like every other factions infantry, and its really down to the helmets. they ALL somehow look silly or dumb to me.

thing is, unlike my distaste for marines, i also don't see much eldar, so when im looking at armies for ideas, ill honestly ignore them until im reminded they exist, just to go "oh yeah- screw em. especially the craftworld ones. at least the dark eldar have neat twisted science experiments and raiders"

even though ive expressed an interest in Tau, ive gotta hit it in this thread- i honestly am bothered by the riptide and the Stormsurge, and i figured out why the sculpt bothers me as they are.

I like symmetry. the riptide and the stormsurge lack that. i didn't even know the riptide had hands for awhile. but can you blame me when the model looks like the bolted the shield and big gun on the frame directly?

also, go look at a normal stormsurge. then go look up conversions. you may find one with actual arms. if im paying this much for a big "centerpiece" model, can it looks like something i wouldnt want to push over myself to see if it could get back up? how did we go from kits like the crisis suit and broadside which have hands to hold weapons, to things like this? thats aside from the fact i wish the tau had been a race more focused on airpower since i heard others theories.

I'm going to go with just about the entire Primaris line other than whatever the basic squad is called, their Dreadnought, & the Hellblasters (wich are just basic guy models with bigger plasma guns).
And I HATE the naming convention for Primaris units. All their names except the Hellblasters blur together for me & I can't tell what units being discussed most times.

ccs wrote:
I'm going to go with just about the entire Primaris line other than whatever the basic squad is called, their Dreadnought, & the Hellblasters (wich are just basic guy models with bigger plasma guns).
And I HATE the naming convention for Primaris units. All their names except the Hellblasters blur together for me & I can't tell what units being discussed most times.

Try being a Space Wolves player and dealing with that.
Indawolf!!!

I would say Space Marine infantry in general. I dislike the big boots, big shoulder, small head style in armor. I dislike the normal helmet and the beaky is poor, the only nice one is the one of the Grey Knights who generally look best in my opinion when it comes to Space Marine aesthetic. Regular Chaos Marines are a bit better, but not by much. I dislike even more terminator and gravis armor. Their tanks are okay, some of the flyers are nice, the walkers are a bit too squat for my taste, but okay too. Custodians are ugly and over decorated. I would use Stomcast Eternals as proxy if ever I was to have any. Sisters of Silence heads are horrible, but the rest is very nice. Guardsmen look like potatoes in uniforms (they need new sculpts badly). The rest is generally fair to better.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

ccs wrote:
I'm going to go with just about the entire Primaris line other than whatever the basic squad is called, their Dreadnought, & the Hellblasters (wich are just basic guy models with bigger plasma guns).
And I HATE the naming convention for Primaris units. All their names except the Hellblasters blur together for me & I can't tell what units being discussed most times.

Try being a Space Wolves player and dealing with that.
Indawolf!!!

Hey, as the editions have gone down the maximum wolf you can fit on a model has actually decreased. In 5th when I played Space Wolves my general was always a guy with the maximum amount of "wolf" you could give him:

Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount
Wolf Claws
Wolftooth Necklace
Saga of the Wolf
Wulfenstone
2 fenrisian Wolf bodyguards

So a wolf lord of the wolf on a wolf with wolf claws wolftooth necklace wulfenstone with two wolfs, as I would describe him to my opponents.

ccs wrote:
I'm going to go with just about the entire Primaris line other than whatever the basic squad is called, their Dreadnought, & the Hellblasters (wich are just basic guy models with bigger plasma guns).
And I HATE the naming convention for Primaris units. All their names except the Hellblasters blur together for me & I can't tell what units being discussed most times.

The generic primaris HQ sculpts aren’t to bad but otherwise I agree with you and yeah the names are terrible. I hate the gravis armor models, they just don’t look very good. I was not a fan of the redemptor dread at first when I saw it online but on the table they do look decent. I don’t like the open cockpit on the invictor warsuits but with 3D printing available there are some good alternatives.

Every forgeworld unit that isn't a dreadnought, custodes, or brass scorpion looks like arse.

The tanks are crap, the planes are crap, the gribblies are crap, titans look stupid (okay, warlord exempt to but the reaver and warhound are ugly as sin.) The infantry are crap, and 99" of the primarchs just look like some dude. The scenic bases are more impressive than the character on most of them.

I have one to put in this thread at least - the Tyranid Forgeworld Dimachaeron. Mostly because it seems to have a really ungainly pose to it. It's looks too front-heavy from its photos and pose. As if its upper body is from a heavier monster and its lower from a might lighter/more lithe one.

Though I have to say this is only from photos, real life viewing might change my opinion

ERJAK wrote:
Every forgeworld unit that isn't a dreadnought, custodes, or brass scorpion looks like arse.

The tanks are crap, the planes are crap, the gribblies are crap, titans look stupid (okay, warlord exempt to but the reaver and warhound are ugly as sin.) The infantry are crap, and 99" of the primarchs just look like some dude. The scenic bases are more impressive than the character on most of them.

I would go so far as to say the Warlord looks as inviting as a walk down your average faeces ridden, crack needle strewn street in San Fran. Not winning any votes from me.

Of note, Gabriel Angelos i.e. Homer Simpson in terminator armour is a special mention for FW sculpting crimes. Makes Tor Garradon look like a beauty pageant winner.

One more actually from FW which needs to be addressed - Sanguinius. I see what they were aiming for i.e. a saint-like rennaisance painting type sculpt but what they ended up with was more like a red neck jumping out of his neighbours window having been caught sleeping with said neighbours 300lbs plus wife.

ERJAK wrote:Every forgeworld unit that isn't a dreadnought, custodes, or brass scorpion looks like arse.

The tanks are crap, the planes are crap, the gribblies are crap, titans look stupid (okay, warlord exempt to but the reaver and warhound are ugly as sin.) The infantry are crap, and 99" of the primarchs just look like some dude. The scenic bases are more impressive than the character on most of them.

I'm the exact opposite. I really like the Macharius variants, especially the Vanquisher, the Gryphonne and Stygies Vanquishers, the open-topped Medusa gun that has since been discontinued, the Stormblade, the split-trail guns, the Marauder Bomber and Destroyer, the Thunderbolt fighter, etc.

But I don't like the Contemptor Dreadnoughts, the Deredeo Dreadnoughts, or the Leviathan Dreadnoughts. The Deredeo in particular is ugly.