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 TBD wrote:
Just like with the recent new Dark Eldar mini's, GW doesn't seem to understand that if the choice is to either buy a whole expensive box of stuff I don't want only to get a new Magister on Disc or buy nothing instead the choice will be the latter and they are not getting any money from me.


They honestly don't care. Every AoS box set using this model has entirely sold out, so those of us who don't like the sales model have no recourse. 'Voting with your wallet' doesn't matter when the stock sells out on day one (and usually hour one)! For GW, this sales model is working exactly as intended.

Blood of the Phoenix seems to have been the first time they've screwed the pricing up enough not to sell out of product anyway.

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Right behind you.

Blood of the Phoenix was the first time that the secondary market* didn't matter.

Because let's be real here, a good chunk of boxes get bought up for resale/splitting purposes.
   
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 streetsamurai wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Carnikang wrote:


Id love to see the old battle fortress comeback in some way....

Faction specific rams, ladders and towers would be fun too.


You mean this old thing?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mighty-fortress-warhammer-siege-games-1799168221

It was actually a pretty nice kit, especially for the time. The towers were even theoretically usable, but it was easier just take models off the table.


Faction specific though... that's hard to justify. Every faction division cuts sales down for a product that's already pretty niche.
Grand alliance kits might work, though.


There was a newer one than this one. Used to have it





And there is an even newer set of wall that they would be more inclined to use.



As nice as those older sets are, I don't see GW bringing them back. They just don't match the current aesthetic GW is pushing foward. With the campaign most likely being Chaos defending against a Death invasion, what better time to bring back the chaos fortress set.

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 Overread wrote:
I can't see GW doing faction specific walls for every race nor faction specific siege equipment for every race.


They actually did do customizable battering ram heads for 'some' of the races, back in the day. Nothing spectacular, but kind of fun.

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I hope they create trays that we can use our new AoS figures in for the 'Oldhammer reboot'. It would be nice to not have to rebase everything just to play that game. I think it would help get more people interested quickly.

I'm anxious to see what the new 'pointy elves' will look like. The Sisters of Battle were a very faithful to the original models in their update, and I'm wondering if they'll go that route with these as well. I could see those elitist 'high' elves being pretty stuck in their ways, even post world ending cataclysm.

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Voss wrote:
. . . those of us who don't like the sales model have no recourse. 'Voting with your wallet' doesn't matter when the stock sells out on day one (and usually hour one)!


It matters. You just got out-voted.

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Given the Teclis silhouette, I'm expecting the cypher lords warband to be a kind of preview, since they are noted as not being overt cultists in.Hysh.

which if that's the case.could.get me.VERY on board with them.

   
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Right behind you.

Cypher Lords are humans, not Aelf.


It's worth mentioning that them being "not being overt cultists" is because they actually have their own cities.
   
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Voss wrote:
 Carnikang wrote:


Id love to see the old battle fortress comeback in some way....

Faction specific rams, ladders and towers would be fun too.


You mean this old thing?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mighty-fortress-warhammer-siege-games-1799168221

It was actually a pretty nice kit, especially for the time. The towers were even theoretically usable, but it was easier just take models off the table.


Faction specific though... that's hard to justify. Every faction division cuts sales down for a product that's already pretty niche.
Grand alliance kits might work, though.


I still have mine, and wished I had picked up a second set when GW was still selling them. 1 Gatehouse, 4 Towers, 3 Wall Sections: $99 USD. How much was that chaos fortress again? Yeah, there is no way I'm spending that much on a castle when there are nicer historical options out there that would work well for old world gaming (AoS is creeping larger scale wise, so less useful). I shudder to think what GW would charge now for that castle kit, even if they didn't change a single thing.

Also, all the siege stuff, towers, rams, ladders, odds and bobs for defenders (boiling oil cauldrons) were great fun in siege games.

My Mighty Fortress (plastic, not the foam one) sees lots of tabletop service even now.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Cypher Lords are humans, not Aelf.


It's worth mentioning that them being "not being overt cultists" is because they actually have their own cities.


a big helmet plume, dangling jewels and a voluminous robe all seem to be design aesthetics shared between Teclis and the cypher lord silhouette.

likewise, the helmets.mean you don't really know for.sure if the cypher lords are human or aelf, and the splintered fangs are conclusive proof elves can fall to chaos.

I think that there will be shared designed cues so.that the cypher lords can properly represent the threat.of "chaos within"


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*cypher lord leader's silhouette*

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Yeah, only thing I'm not enthusiastic about is the silhouette...that looks terrible.

 
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Yeah, only thing I'm not enthusiastic about is the silhouette...that looks terrible.


It's the thing that gives me hope!

old elves are coming back eventually,.which means that AoS can be free of the design burden that is the high elf legacy. Elves are.never.so boring as when they are Greeks and Romans by a different name, two people who make no sense to lump with the elves to begin with.

And if you're going to smash the elves with design cues from cultures that don't have elves, you might as well make them more exciting.

   
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I’m personally pretty interested to see what they do with “pointy elves” though not as interested as seeing Malerion’s elves. I do feel giving us a new human faction first would be more appropriate however, as there are already snake-lady elves, sea elves, and tree elves available and no new human faction available (unless you count Slaves to Darkness).


 
   
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 Sabotage! wrote:
I’m personally pretty interested to see what they do with “pointy elves” though not as interested as seeing Malerion’s elves. I do feel giving us a new human faction first would be more appropriate however, as there are already snake-lady elves, sea elves, and tree elves available and no new human faction available (unless you count Slaves to Darkness).


I'd personally like to see more variant of Orc

Let's make some dirt Orcs, rock Orcss, furry Orcs, feather Orcs, maybe even some sky orcs.

Or a new destruction faction at least.

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 Elbows wrote:
Yeah, only thing I'm not enthusiastic about is the silhouette...that looks terrible.


I hope the over designed elements apply to that silhouette in particular and the rest of the line is more toned down.

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Carlovonsexron wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Yeah, only thing I'm not enthusiastic about is the silhouette...that looks terrible.


It's the thing that gives me hope!

old elves are coming back eventually,.which means that AoS can be free of the design burden that is the high elf legacy. Elves are.never.so boring as when they are Greeks and Romans by a different name, two people who make no sense to lump with the elves to begin with.

And if you're going to smash the elves with design cues from cultures that don't have elves, you might as well make them more exciting.

The problem with this particular one previewed is that it's just chock-full of weakpoints and snag-able spikes and tassles. Sometimes I think GW forgot people actually play using the models.
   
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 Knight wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Yeah, only thing I'm not enthusiastic about is the silhouette...that looks terrible.


I hope the over designed elements apply to that silhouette in particular and the rest of the line is more toned down.

*Not shown: the silhouette is actually two small elf-children standing on top of each other.

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Cronch wrote:
The problem with this particular one previewed is that it's just chock-full of weakpoints and snag-able spikes and tassles. Sometimes I think GW forgot people actually play using the models.


Yeah I find magnetic transportation starts to be pretty much requirement. At least that way they are standing free not bumping into anything while transportation

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 Carnikang wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
I’m personally pretty interested to see what they do with “pointy elves” though not as interested as seeing Malerion’s elves. I do feel giving us a new human faction first would be more appropriate however, as there are already snake-lady elves, sea elves, and tree elves available and no new human faction available (unless you count Slaves to Darkness).


I'd personally like to see more variant of Orc

Let's make some dirt Orcs, rock Orcss, furry Orcs, feather Orcs, maybe even some sky orcs.

Or a new destruction faction at least.

Well there is a good chance that we might get sky goblins in the future, or would it be safe to call them tiny sky orcs.

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 Cruentus wrote:


I still have mine, and wished I had picked up a second set when GW was still selling them. 1 Gatehouse, 4 Towers, 3 Wall Sections: $99 USD. How much was that chaos fortress again? Yeah, there is no way I'm spending that much on a castle when there are nicer historical options out there that would work well for old world gaming (AoS is creeping larger scale wise, so less useful). I shudder to think what GW would charge now for that castle kit, even if they didn't change a single thing.

Also, all the siege stuff, towers, rams, ladders, odds and bobs for defenders (boiling oil cauldrons) were great fun in siege games.

My Mighty Fortress (plastic, not the foam one) sees lots of tabletop service even now.


Yeah, I have two full sets of the plastic Warhammer Fortress along with, I think, two sets each of Siege Attackers and Defenders, plus three Siege towers. Those were awesome kits and the best value for a generic castle ever.

That being said the Chaos Dreadhold stuff puts it to shame. The old Fortress might have been a hundred bucks, but the Chaos Helfort ($260) is a freakin' massive beast. Hell the Overlord Bastion ($130) is already pretty dang massive and a table centerpiece. I only bought a single Helfort, a single Overlord Bastion, plus an extra set of ruined walls, when the Dreadhold was in production. I would absolutely buy another Helfort if they re-released it.


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so are we looking at Seraphon in February and Aelves in March, or are we hitting a slow 2-3 month cycle for armies and more like Aelves in March and Seraphon in May?

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The did say in that panel that Seraphon are "not soon". So, that could be anytime in the future, considering GW. But we do know spring for PElves.

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 TBD wrote:
Just like with the recent new Dark Eldar mini's, GW doesn't seem to understand that if the choice is to either buy a whole expensive box of stuff I don't want only to get a new Magister on Disc or buy nothing instead the choice will be the latter and they are not getting any money from me.


Wouldn't mind it but waiting so long after a battle-set release is plain annoying. In the case of the new Eldar models that was taking it a bit too far with a £140 box set - split or not. They spent the best part of a month hyping up the new models only to then basically say "but they aren't available until late 2020".

It wouldn't surprise me if they do the same with those "pointy aelves" they so comcially introduced recently....

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SamusDrake wrote:
 TBD wrote:
Just like with the recent new Dark Eldar mini's, GW doesn't seem to understand that if the choice is to either buy a whole expensive box of stuff I don't want only to get a new Magister on Disc or buy nothing instead the choice will be the latter and they are not getting any money from me.


Wouldn't mind it but waiting so long after a battle-set release is plain annoying. In the case of the new Eldar models that was taking it a bit too far with a £140 box set - split or not. They spent the best part of a month hyping up the new models only to then basically say "but they aren't available until late 2020".

It wouldn't surprise me if they do the same with those "pointy aelves" they so comcially introduced recently....


There's only one Ossiarch model you can't buy, a unique character Vokmortian. Otherwise the entire range is up for sale. Sisters of Battle look like they are going to be similar with the majority of the range launched in a fairly short window. GW seems less fearful of 3rd parties; or perhaps they've come to the realisation that the market of their customers who turn away to 3rd parties for alternative models is a segment they won't win back so best not to worry about it. It could also be that with their steady and slow return to the competitive scene that they hope more "official" events will have a trickle down effect in encouraging/enforcing GW only models in clubs - on the angle that people who might want to "one day" or actually compete in the competitive events will focus on at least owning an official version of their army.

That said I don't think GW will step away from the whole "no model no rules" approach. Which to be fair I find rather sensible. Gamers don't like having toys they can't buy and if GW keeps battletomes/codex focused on only what they do sell then it makes it not only easier to sell more product to customers, but also makes pick-up by new generations a lot easier. I recall when Tyranids had quit a few "not heroes" that weren't made as models and whilst conversions were ripe (and Tyranids actually convert rather easily and tend to give you a good number of spare/compatible parts) its still not something every gamer wants to or can do.

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Voss wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix seems to have been the first time they've screwed the pricing up enough not to sell out of product anyway.


First time I had an interest in one of those sets, GW went silly on the price by including a load of unnecessary models. A set of guardians and kabalites would have sufficed!


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There's only one Ossiarch model you can't buy, a unique character Vokmortian. Otherwise the entire range is up for sale. Sisters of Battle look like they are going to be similar with the majority of the range launched in a fairly short window. GW seems less fearful of 3rd parties; or perhaps they've come to the realisation that the market of their customers who turn away to 3rd parties for alternative models is a segment they won't win back so best not to worry about it. It could also be that with their steady and slow return to the competitive scene that they hope more "official" events will have a trickle down effect in encouraging/enforcing GW only models in clubs - on the angle that people who might want to "one day" or actually compete in the competitive events will focus on at least owning an official version of their army.



Have to hand it to GW regarding the Sisters of Battle. The box set - even if thats what it was to be for a few months - was fair in that it was a focused faction box complete with codex. To have the individual sets so soon after is pretty darn good.

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 judgedoug wrote:
so are we looking at Seraphon in February and Aelves in March, or are we hitting a slow 2-3 month cycle for armies and more like Aelves in March and Seraphon in May?

The 'Pointy Aelves' teaser did say Spring 2020, so if we keep to the calendar that should be mid- to late-March to mid- to late-June.

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That Mighty Fortress was my free subscription gift for White Dwarf one year.
Back when you got something free for subbing, which then became just a model, and then access to a model you have to pay for..

Would be good for it to have more use.
   
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The Slaves to Darkness Errata and Designers' Commentary are up.

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