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 Grimtuff wrote:
Oh look, this thread again...

Why do people entertain the idea of this? What could possibly be gained from jumping forward another 10k years that hasn't already been jumpstarted with moving 40k into a storyline?

There are multiple threads set up that are yet to be resolved. There are huge swathes of stories to be told as a result, but yet some still clamour for an "end times" of 40k because the storyline GW crammed into the 40k setting is now boring for them and their need for instant gratification or something.

You've made you bed, lie in it.

To be clear I definitely do not want this to happen. I actually love where the setting is right now. But the reason I am entertaining it is that I do think it's interesting to speculate how the fantasy situation could have been handled better. I think other people had a major point when they said that it would have been best to spend a year or so making the best fantasy ruleset ever seen and then going to AoS.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
[Shhhh. Gw may be listening.

Don't worry, I built in a fail-safe. The new 50k universe would have less marines and more xenos

Tyranids absorb Primaris genes. New Primanids are the most OP army. Also, all of the modles are slighlty bigger and redesigned.

Changing a horde armies models is a good money earner. Imagine if they upped the Guards base size...

One of two things:
1) I ignore it. Same as I already do.
2) I'll just buy the proper size base in bulk from Reaper or better, 3d print them. They'll get attached via blue tack to existing models as the need arises.

Step 1: Kill off all space elves.
Step 2: Everyone realises that, without space elves stinking up the galaxy, they can get along.

From grim-darkness comes a new age of peace and enlightenment based around how happy everyone is that eldar of all stripes are gone! The end.

I'm pretty sure we already saw their execution of it they just didn't do it as hard as they did warhammer fantasy.

If we ever see a new mini marine in anything but a barnes and noble box set I'll be stunned, and given how much of the line they constitute that really frees up a great deal of space for more interesting everything else.

The great rift expands and covers 90% of the galaxy. 90% of the galaxy Is now both immaterium and materium where deamons can wander freely. The remaining 10% the galaxy is pockets of real space where non chaotic civilisations exist. The tau sphere, ultima segmentum, Baal, Fenris. Terra is the domain of demon prince abbadon

Eldar move from pocket to pocket using the web way and have taken the role of ferrying other survivors around as the explore ways to push back the warp. some how the rock has found a way to enter the webway to move around.

Necrons are now waking up to find they are on demon planets.

Orks we’re on the verge of launching the biggest waaaaagh ever and now have only chaos as a target.

Tyranids are cut off from their hive mind and start to evolve queens to manage populations of hive which start to become competitive as biomass resources are scarce

End Times will be Abbadon's 13th attempt at his 13th Crusade.

 Tamwulf wrote:
End Times will be Abbadon's 13th attempt at his 13th Crusade.

Anyone else old enough to remember when they weren't "Abbadon's Black Crusades", and he had only been involved in like half of them?

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
End Times will be Abbadon's 13th attempt at his 13th Crusade.

Anyone else old enough to remember when they weren't "Abbadon's Black Crusades", and he had only been involved in like half of them?

Yes, and I remember the single "largest" 13th Black Crusade.

GW did a world wide campaign involving BFG and 40K. GW put out a campaign style book that brought new armies to the game (13th Company!), and made a new website. Players were able to log games on the website, and see the overall progress of the campaign. It wasn't a disaster, but the results were... unexpected. GW ended up "adjusting" the results. Just a few years later, there was another 13th Black Crusade. Then another 13th Crusade.

Now, another fluff retcon... it's all been one GIANT 13th Black Crusade.

GW can't keep retconning the fluff and keeping the timeline 1 second away from the apocalypse. It's time for them to move on and advance the time line with new stories and campaigns, instead of squeezing in new stuff into that already stupidly compressed 1 second to the apocalypse.

A 40k End Times should pass with the death of the Emperor and the Imperium being destroyed.


Maybe you could have a young reincarnated Emperor trying to repetad the great crusade to find out that things are MUCH worse. With 1/3 of the galaxy allready devoured by the tyranids, the Tau Empire destroyed and the remmants of the race being basically Quarians living on giant space comboys fleeing the tyranids , the Necrons awakening and conquering another 1/3 of the galaxy, Exodites going extint, orks nearly the same, Chaos being no more the giant enemy of the galaxy because with humanity scattered and near extintion they have become another prety to the two giant superpowers.

Basically making the galaxy a giant smackdown between Necrons and Tyranids on a "The End Days of the galaxy" scenario with everything else just trying to survive a little more before the inevitable ends comes.

A much more grimdark version of 40k. But I think they should stop there, not destroy the game but making that the new status quo. It could be very fun.

Haha, that would be awesome irony - the Imperator would always have reincarnated immediately after dying, but they kept him on the verge of death for ten millennia

 Tamwulf wrote:
Yes, and I remember the single "largest" 13th Black Crusade.

GW did a world wide campaign involving BFG and 40K. GW put out a campaign style book that brought new armies to the game (13th Company!), and made a new website. Players were able to log games on the website, and see the overall progress of the campaign. It wasn't a disaster, but the results were... unexpected.

Out of interest, what were the results?

 vipoid wrote:
Out of interest, what were the results?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Eye_of_Terror_Campaign

A minor Chaos victory. They ended up taking much of Cadia, but were unable to advance because of fleet loses. I wonder if that means they lost a lot of BFG games?

Thinking about it, the recent fluff advances do sort of make sense with the results, so we could view it as eventually delivering on them.

 Murrax9 wrote:
I got to thinking to myself this week about how Warhammer Fantasy's universe and the game were rather ungracefully transitioned into the Age of Sigmar. This led me to think of a hypothetical question of how this could have been done to satisfy everyone involved? That then led me to another hypothetical about 40k. If I had certain knowledge that Warhammer 40k's lore and game system had to end in 2 years, how could this be done in a way that I wouldn't feel upset at the end? A grim question I know, and one that may someday happen (Look at fantasy!).

So, if you knew that 40k's lore and game system had to end in 2 years, what would you like to see in those 2 years to leave you satisfied with 40k ending? How would you like to see the lore finish? What rules/new model would you like to see to give you the most fun in those 2 years so that you wouldn't be salty or angry after 40k had ended? What's the most graceful way that this could be done?

1. All factions arrive on Terra to bust heads apart from the
Tyranids and Catachan Jungle Fighters.

2. Then the Tyranids come and eat the survivors of this epic final battle. Nom, nom, nom.

3. 40K transitions into a new setting in which only Tyranids and Catachan Jungle Fighters exist and they fight each other until GW goes bankrupt.

While we can all agree that 40K doesn't need an End Times (all of that, and the eventual change to AoS was 100% based on sales figures and nothing else), the smartest option would be a third timeline.

Horus Heresy
40K
__________ (new timeline)

The risk here of course would be that you'd invalidate many of the major story issues of 40K, but 40K's player base and their investment in models is too prominent to just wipe it all out. As obscene as GW's prices for models are now days, the idea of rapidly invalidating millions of customer's purchases would be one of the few things that could tank a giant like GW.

Now, if they had the resources, could they try to launch a Warhammer 45K or 50K, etc? I suppose, but I don't see why they would. It would mean two entire ranges of models for what is rapidly approaching 30 in-game factions. I don't think that would be sustainable, though it would be the only way to do it without pissing off people.

Abaddon destroys Cadia. Some Primarchs wake up or show up. gak happens and there is a new edition.

 Trickstick wrote:


Tyranids absorb Primaris genes. New Primanids are the most OP army. Also, all of the modles are slighlty bigger and redesigned.

Changing a horde armies models is a good money earner. Imagine if they upped the Guards base size...

PRIMARINIDS! Yes! Of course, and primanids, the new era thunder warrior of nid civilization. Roll 'em out, boiz!

And what makes you think that guard won't be up-sizing bases? I heard that guard was going to 28mm bases soon...
but maybe that is just a rumor put forward by competitors.

Because if Guard go up in base size then they will have to increase the standard table size to compensate.

Yeah, imagine they would do that to orks!

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, imagine they would do that to orks!

When ever an Ork sees a Guardsman's base they turn green with envy.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, imagine they would do that to orks!

When ever an Ork sees a Guardsman's base they turn green with envy.

Eh. In my opinion, the larger base make close to no difference in-game, just the idea of having to re-base or extend so many models is extremely annoying.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, imagine they would do that to orks!

When ever an Ork sees a Guardsman's base they turn green with envy.

Eh. In my opinion, the larger base make close to no difference in-game, just the idea of having to re-base or extend so many models is extremely annoying.

I have upgraded my CSM with the new models. There are a few pros and cons to the differing sizes, but I agree that in any given game, they aren't likely to matter all that much. I do have so say the miniatures look much better on the larger bases, and this comes from someone that doesn't like basing that much. The larger bases are much more stable (obviously) making positioning them on uneven ground much easier. There are certainly times, I kinda want genestealers to be on larger bases as their tiny bases can make them a hassle to move about.

The Frank Herbert estate sues 40K out of existence. That's the fate GW deserves.

Martel732 wrote:
The Frank Herbert estate sues 40K out of existence. That's the fate GW deserves.

I don't think you understand copyright law...

I said its what they deserve. Not what's going to happen.

Martel732 wrote:
I said its what they deserve. Not what's going to happen.

Lol, true. But then Tolkien's estate would own half the world.

 Trickstick wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The Frank Herbert estate sues 40K out of existence. That's the fate GW deserves.

I don't think you understand copyright law...

from the little expiriance I have with it, it seems to work like this. If you stole stuff 100-150 years ago, it is yours, you don't have to give it back, in fact it is more yours then the original owners or creators. But if you are trying to makes somethings based on existing stuff right now, or want to steal today , AND your not china/russia. then hell is coming for you in form of EU/international courts.

 Trickstick wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I said its what they deserve. Not what's going to happen.

Lol, true. But then Tolkien's estate would own half the world.

Better than Disney.

Martel732 wrote:
Better than Disney.

Hey, you act like there is something wrong with building your business on public domain work, then re-writing public domain to keep making money.

Dune isn't public domain yet.

Martel732 wrote:
Dune isn't public domain yet.

I waas referring to Disney making movies out of public domain stories.

Dune doesn't need to be public domain, as taking inspirations from something is fine.