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On the last day of the meetings the one guy who actually once played a game as an Ork, but only the one time, was absent and couldn't stop the other developers and play testers from nerfing Flash gitz again.

It legit feels that way some editions

It's not that hard to be, since IIRC they did exactly 0 pre-release playtesting before 8th Edition, so it just has to be more playtested than 8th Edition which was playtested, but not rigorously, so like any playtesting at all is "most playtested".

8th Edition was play tested pre-release - hence the claim at the release of that edition that it, at the time, was ALSO the most play tested edition. That's how they came up with a lot of the stuff in the indexes etc. It was the first edition they engaged actual community members.

Back OT -

The initial design approach for 9th centered around propping up the language in the BRB to make it better able to withstand the rules lawyering of "that guy" (that guy being defined as "our customers" in the original appendix to that internal document). "Always don't never run with scissors" was selected as the style guide sample for how declarative statements should be made.

A lot of this is brilliant, you guys. There's a few that had me giggling like a schoolgirl hyena on nitrous oxide.

The Newman wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
An unexpected capitalisation on the instance of one word in the targeting rules, had UK players pulling out Google maps in order to calculate the distance between their attacking model and northern town Hull.

Due to a different typo in the unit of measure for weapon ranges, a majority of weapons could still be fired within the UK. The issue wasn't caught until GW received complaints about the poor taste involved in allowing Imperial Guard artillery to shoot targets in the UK from the French coast.

I love this entire chain of logic.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
This is to say nothing about the rules typo that lead a sentence to read 'May charge your opponent' and not 'your opponents model'.

After the first mid game hospitalisation, GW hurriedly updated the beta.

I laughed openly and I adore every possible variation of this, including the one where someone is aggressively rubbing his terminators on his opponent going "NYEEERRRRNGH"

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Due to a bizarre error in the files sent to the printers the 9th edition Chaos Space Marines codex is a complete and perfect reprint of the 3.5 codex. Despite the difficulty of adapting the rules to the 9th edition rules set Chaos Space Marines players around the world rejoice. The decline in their general saltiness on the forum causes the loyalists players of dakka to brand them all as "Black Knights".

Including Thralls being toughness l (yes, that is a lower case L)?, Whole squads of Raptors being able to be a single Aspiring Champion, Voltron style? Fabius Bike, too?

I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate on these?

As someone unfamiliar with the Chaos 3.5 dex, you can hopefully understand my curiosity.

 CEO Kasen wrote:
A lot of this is brilliant, you guys. There's a few that had me giggling like a schoolgirl hyena on nitrous oxide.

The Newman wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
An unexpected capitalisation on the instance of one word in the targeting rules, had UK players pulling out Google maps in order to calculate the distance between their attacking model and northern town Hull.

Due to a different typo in the unit of measure for weapon ranges, a majority of weapons could still be fired within the UK. The issue wasn't caught until GW received complaints about the poor taste involved in allowing Imperial Guard artillery to shoot targets in the UK from the French coast.

I love this entire chain of logic.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
This is to say nothing about the rules typo that lead a sentence to read 'May charge your opponent' and not 'your opponents model'.

After the first mid game hospitalisation, GW hurriedly updated the beta.

I laughed openly and I adore every possible variation of this, including the one where someone is aggressively rubbing his terminators on his opponent going "NYEEERRRRNGH"

That's why pewter terminators equipped with lightning claws still see the battlefield. You can reliably gouge your opponent's eyes out with them.

Old Chaos dread + sock = 100 vp for knockout and bonus for tableing.

In other News:
Due to typos when adapting Bikes and other melee Monsters to hit above them , they Made initially a mistake so that Bikers and Monsters only could hit models atleast 3" above them.

I laughed openly and I adore every possible variation of this, including the one where someone is aggressively rubbing his terminators on his opponent going "NYEEERRRRNGH"

This gives me an idea for a new Ork unit - Big Mek with Super Noogie! It does absolutely nothing on the battlefield, but...let's just say the model has an especially knuckley design.

That's why pewter terminators equipped with lightning claws still see the battlefield. You can reliably gouge your opponent's eyes out with them.

On a slightly serious note - I'm willing to bet it's because the old style claws look so much better than the newer knuckleduster style ones. Bring back the Wolverines!!


...one particular mission had its objectives listed as "subjectives" instead. This led to some unusual queries into the feedback team, such as "what is existence, really" and "what does it mean to play a game". This was more quickly fixed than normal because the lore of 40k is of course depressing enough already.

9th is advertised as the most playtested edition. This has to mean there's stuff that didn't make the cut.

This is what they must announce to make the new edition worthwhile for the 40k community.
It depends on what you understand under ''playtested''.
Input from competitive players? Leveling balancing issue?

 CEO Kasen wrote:
9th is advertised as the most playtested edition.

It is really? Because RAW Kabalite Warriors (and all the other dudes who carry splinter weapons) can't even resolve their shots when firing from a Venom/Raider since their weapon is S* and its effect is described under "abilities". Which don't work on embarked units. Open topped nonsense aside, I'm quite happy with this edition so far, definitely an improvement compared to 8th.

 Blackie wrote:

 CEO Kasen wrote:
9th is advertised as the most playtested edition.

It is really? Because RAW Kabalite Warriors (and all the other dudes who carry splinter weapons) can't even resolve their shots when firing from a Venom/Raider since their weapon is S* and its effect is described under "abilities". Which don't work on embarked units. Open topped nonsense aside, I'm quite happy with this edition so far, definitely an improvement compared to 8th.

ANother one:
In order to improve ruleswriting GW wanted to hire an actual editor, until they realised that they'd have to pay a person for such a position.

 Blackie wrote:

 CEO Kasen wrote:
9th is advertised as the most playtested edition.

It is really? Because RAW Kabalite Warriors (and all the other dudes who carry splinter weapons) can't even resolve their shots when firing from a Venom/Raider since their weapon is S* and its effect is described under "abilities". Which don't work on embarked units. Open topped nonsense aside, I'm quite happy with this edition so far, definitely an improvement compared to 8th.

But the caveat is that we play with the 9th ed rules combined with 8th ed codices.
Normally, codex rules override rulebook rules.
But this not true when they come from different editions, e.g. smite for GK and TS.

 wuestenfux wrote:
But the caveat is that we play with the 9th ed rules combined with 8th ed codices.
Normally, codex rules override rulebook rules.
But this not true when they come from different editions, e.g. smite for GK and TS.

Nah, the open topped rule is just a combination of shoddy rules-writing and no one at the studio playing drukhari or orks unless they have to. Other armies rarely tend to shoot from open topped transports with anything worth noting.

As for things they threw out:
1) There was a secondary mission that rewarded wiping out infantry units, but an intern accidentally deleted it instead of Abhor the Witch
2) Performing the psychic ritual originally didn't reward VP but summoned 4d6 PL worth of daemons aligned to a random god that started killing everyone who wasn't aligned to the same god.
3) The exterminatus stratagem was scratched because there was no way for marines to avoid it.
4) When an inquisitor was suffering from perils of the warp, you could pick two nearby space marines. One could make a single melee attack and the other could make a single shooting attack in order to kill the inquisitor before suffering perils.
5) The stompa was given an extensive overhaul in order to make it worth almost 1000 points, but the manager in charge fell a sleep half way through the presentation and only woke up just in time for the suggested points cost.

 Jidmah wrote:
4) When an inquisitor was suffering from perils of the warp, you could pick two nearby space marines. One could make a single melee attack and the other could make a single shooting attack in order to kill the inquisitor before suffering perils.

Don't tell me - it was dropped because the Codex Astartes does not support this action...?

 Super Ready wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
4) When an inquisitor was suffering from perils of the warp, you could pick two nearby space marines. One could make a single melee attack and the other could make a single shooting attack in order to kill the inquisitor before suffering perils.

Don't tell me - it was dropped because the Codex Astartes does not support this action...?

Codex Astares supports this action, but the legal department does not.

I think, after several games with their Space Marines and Custodes, the playtesters unanimously agreed that all the secondary objectives that would be useful against small squads of multi-wound models should be thrown out, and all secondary objectives useful for killing all the other unit types in the game should reward more points.

In other news, the original preview of the 9th ed Marine codex removed all Firstborn units and rolled their options into the Primaris unit data cards. Actual classic models were to be declared illegal for competitive play since their shorter stature would constitute "modeling for advantage", but players were encouraged to buy old Devastator/Tactical/Assault Marine boxes and Intercessors kits to kit-bash replacements until the new upgrade kits could be released.

The plan was dropped because anything that made marketing salivate so much it needed to be cleaned up with a mop was probably a bridge too far for even the most loyal 40k fans.

In order to appeal to the younger crowd, 'ThorHammer' 40k was considered, unfortunately GW discovered that the only company with a more aggressive legal team than them was Marvel, so the plan was hurriedly abandoned.

After several complaints from playtesters due to scratched models and incomprehensible game situations the 'Pile On' move was changed to a 'Pile in' move instead.

Having considered all eventualities and playtester feedback that R&H were so OP - potentially curbstomping Primaris sales - even after Malefic Lords being nerfed into oblivion, GW decided to pull the rug under the entire range.

Yep, can't even get the R&H Blackstone Fortress stuff anymore.

No, eBay doesn't count.

 vipoid wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Due to a bizarre error in the files sent to the printers the 9th edition Chaos Space Marines codex is a complete and perfect reprint of the 3.5 codex. Despite the difficulty of adapting the rules to the 9th edition rules set Chaos Space Marines players around the world rejoice. The decline in their general saltiness on the forum causes the loyalists players of dakka to brand them all as "Black Knights".

Including Thralls being toughness l (yes, that is a lower case L)?, Whole squads of Raptors being able to be a single Aspiring Champion, Voltron style? Fabius Bike, too?

I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate on these?

As someone unfamiliar with the Chaos 3.5 dex, you can hopefully understand my curiosity.

All of them were 100%, genuine typos in the 3.5 dex (those are just the ones I can remember off of the top of my head). The first one was a wargear upgrade for TS armies, represented by a model and for reasons known only to GW they managed to slip on the keyboard and make them toughness l (there was much debate at the time if it was a 1 or an l) instead of toughness 3, whilst also having 3 wounds each when they were meant to have one.

The second is just once again an editing error with some key words missing. The entry in the Raptors read "The squad may be an Aspiring Champion" instead of "One member of the squad may be an Aspiring Champion".

The Bile one is less interesting as it was simply a case of K being next to L on a qwerty keyboard.