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I think it's fair to say Imperial Fists are something of an exception, since they recruit from multiple worlds rather than having a single fixed one, so it's not like they take as many from one place. Likewise with the Dark Angels, whose recruitment is even more widespread.

On the other hand, while not technically Macragge, Ultramar as a realm provides multiple Guard regiments while being a Marine-owned domain.

Dammit lore, always with the exceptions...!

From what I’ve read, their DNA is not compatible

 cole1114 wrote:
You can't take guard from marine planets, and billions of catachans are worth more than 1000 marines.

Actually you can, Necromunda provides tens of millions to IG annually but they also have IF chapter keep and provide tithe of candidates when asked. Black Templars erect recruiting keeps on every planet they visit, which must include a ton of IG worlds. Even Ultramarines who officially use the right to exempt their planets from IG recruitment have Ultramar PDF where best trained regiments (IG in all but name) are provided as help to neighboring sectors in emergency.

Also, Catachan kind of doesn't have billions, it's not a hive world, you know.

Necromunda is unlikely to be exempt from the tithe grade as an Aptus Non/Adeptus world. Most Astartes homeworlds are tithed that way, but I expect that the recruiting posts common to fleetborne Chapters are unlikely to be enough to qualify, especially on so dense a Hive as Necromunda.

Speaking of necdriomunda, i wonder of the soritas recruits from house escher at times...

 Matt Swain wrote:
now half of catachan's population have testosterone levels so high that they would literally kill geneseed implants thru sheer testosterone poisoning.

And the testosterone levels are somewhat higher in the male half of the population.

*Snigger* love it. Exalted.

That space marines are not exactly an upgrade of catachans does not surprise me.

I'm pretty sure most Space marines have posters of sly marbo up on their walls.

To be fair, Deathworlds don't have to pay a tithe, correct? Cadia didn't, Vengence (?) doesn't, Mordia doesn't, Catachan doesn't. There is a reason to, you can't just grow new Catachans. You can literally grow new Marines in vats.

 Super Ready wrote:
It might well be because that world is already sanctioned as an Imperial Guard recruiting world - in other words, it isn't "available" for use as a Marine homeworld.
However, that just makes me think - surely a Marine request to sanction a world as its homeworld would override any such concerns from the Guard...?

No?

Marines are not remotely a unified force, to some degree its every chapter for itself politically, only the very powerful first founding chapters have the political clout to boss around high-ranking adepts. In addition, marine homeworlds are usually assigned when setting up the new chapter, which would generally involve a consult between their parent and the administratum to determine where they're needed.

So the process wouldn't be "the space wolves say 'we would like to recruit from catachan' and the munitorium says 'go ahead'" but rather the administratum sits down and goes "we would like to found new space marine chapters" asks the munitorium where strategically they're needed, and then determines a collection of planets in those areas whose tithes are less critical and can be turned over to the marines. Then they go to the ultramarines and are like "would you like a successor chapter, here are the homeworld options" for them.

Does it really matter if a space marine chapter grabs a few kids? They don't normally take massive losses, they don't need thousands of aspirants every year. All the chapters based on barely populated feral worlds wouldn't be sustainable otherwise.

Compared to what the IG requires, it's a drop in the bucket.

I think the thing is that the one or two meatbags that survive the apotheosis to become Astartes are something like 1:1000. There's a quote from Fabius Bile about extending those odds further, presumably for solid, scientific reasons.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
No?

Marines are not remotely a unified force, to some degree its every chapter for itself politically, only the very powerful first founding chapters have the political clout to boss around high-ranking adepts. In addition, marine homeworlds are usually assigned when setting up the new chapter, which would generally involve a consult between their parent and the administratum to determine where they're needed.

So the process wouldn't be "the space wolves say 'we would like to recruit from catachan' and the munitorium says 'go ahead'" but rather the administratum sits down and goes "we would like to found new space marine chapters" asks the munitorium where strategically they're needed, and then determines a collection of planets in those areas whose tithes are less critical and can be turned over to the marines. Then they go to the ultramarines and are like "would you like a successor chapter, here are the homeworld options" for them.

It's absolutely fair to say it'd be a very rare occurrence - but not unprecedented. Dark Angels, Imperial Fists and Grey Knights (who are, ok, definitely an odd one out) all recruit from all over the galaxy, rather than having a fixed recruitment world. It's not a far stretch to imagine some other Chapters do it too.
Under those circumstances, I would imagine that the Guard/Administratum would be inclined to grant that request... but on the understanding that it's going to be either temporary (a la Dark Angels, until they move on) or on a reduced basis (a la Imperial Fists and Grey Knights, who recruit from lots of other worlds too, and therefore need less).

Nurglitch wrote:
I think the thing is that the one or two meatbags that survive the apotheosis to become Astartes are something like 1:1000. There's a quote from Fabius Bile about extending those odds further, presumably for solid, scientific reasons.

According to the internet, Baal, the Blood Angels' homeworld has a population of 122 000. This means that with this success rate and using the entire population of their planet all at once, they could make about 61 marines (since they can't use girls). That's not taking age into account, so the actual number might be something like 20.

I think a 1:1000 ratio isn't quite right. Or the population of Baal is ridiculously understimated...

By the way here's some free advice to any aspiring writers: only give concrete numbers when you are 100% sure they can hold water. Otherwise be as vague as you can get away with.

 Tiennos wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
I think the thing is that the one or two meatbags that survive the apotheosis to become Astartes are something like 1:1000. There's a quote from Fabius Bile about extending those odds further, presumably for solid, scientific reasons.

According to the internet, Baal, the Blood Angels' homeworld has a population of 122 000. This means that with this success rate and using the entire population of their planet all at once, they could make about 61 marines (since they can't use girls). That's not taking age into account, so the actual number might be something like 20.

I think a 1:1000 ratio isn't quite right. Or the population of Baal is ridiculously understimated...

By the way here's some free advice to any aspiring writers: only give concrete numbers when you are 100% sure they can hold water. Otherwise be as vague as you can get away with.

Frankly that number for Baal’s population must be wrong by a factor of at least 1,000 if not 10,000.

122,000 is small for a city, let alone a planet, even if it is a death world.

Even 122,000,000 is less than twice the population of just the UK!

Which Baal is that, though? Since the Blood Angels actually recruit from the moons, Baal Prime and Secundus. If I recall correctly Baal itself doesn't actually hold any of the tribes they would recruit from, just mutants and monsters.

I’m not aware of anything that suggest recruitment is strictly form ferel or death worlds. I think chapters recruit from the same planet(s) as part of their traditions and how they choose those planets is more of a mystery.

The salamanders recruit from amongst their own population. I think I have read of other chapters doing the same, living in harmony with the populations of their home/recruitment worlds And some chapters are closer to kidnapping

Fun little tidbit from the new Marine Codex, regarding fleet-based Chapters.

Others appear to have no regimen of any description, simply taking recruits wherever they find them; they are unheeding of all but the most vigorous of protests, and often only if these are by made by fellow Space Marine Chapters.

...never mind Catachan - I just love the idea of the Dark Angels trying to drop down on Fenris and snatching a few of the locals, "these are ours now, 'k?"