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 Nevelon wrote:
Heh. You know when you start telling yourself “it’s not that much farther to another company” that you are already past the point of madness.

Not that I haven’t had the conversation with myself. Multiple times. For different companies...



You know, I've never really had that conversation. Instead it's always been something along the lines of "Oh, I have another company...."
I have:
SW: Around 100 on foot + dreads, drop pods, & several speeders
DA: 3rd Co., no DW/RW - but right around 100 on foot + several dreads, & 6 hulls all magnetized/convertible between rhinos/las-plas razorbacks/3 complete predator suites/1 whirlwind/1 vindicator
UM 9th Co.: The whole dev company + characters/dreads/rhinos/etc - built using only RT era models & options to the specs found in the 3rd ed codex.
Mentors: A whole bunch of one off squads, random vehicles & other SM stuff I like all painted up in the Green/White. Honestly I don't know if it'd be a true companies worth, but there's a good amount of stuff.....
Doom Eagles: about 75 or so all sporting jump packs.
Primaris: About 50 + a few things I really like (1 Pr.dread, 1 Pr.speeder, a mario-kart, & the characters from Indom). I'm thinking I'm going to make this their own chapter/force rather than add them to my others.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
It's mostly curiosity - are all the Scouts the Advanced Space Crusade plastic ones, for example.

Yes. Scouts were all the plastics, although the sergeants were replaced with 2nd edition starter sergeants in power armour. With the exception of the assault squads, the marines were all 2nd edition starter models as well. Terminators were probably the 2nd edition metals... fairly sure this army predated the Space Hulk re-release, and there are assault termies and assault cannons mixed in there.

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ccs wrote:

UM 9th Co.: The whole dev company + characters/dreads/rhinos/etc - built using only RT era models & options to the specs found in the 3rd ed codex.
Haha the Dev company?! I find that particularly amusing for some reason. Any particular reason for that?

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 Insectum7 wrote:
ccs wrote:

UM 9th Co.: The whole dev company + characters/dreads/rhinos/etc - built using only RT era models & options to the specs found in the 3rd ed codex.
Haha the Dev company?! I find that particularly amusing for some reason. Any particular reason for that?


Yes, actually.

It was a group project at the shop of the day - inspired by the full chapter pics from WD.
We decided to do a whole SM chapter ourselves (sans the Thunderhawks). It's UM because several people already had stuff painted up as various UM Companies (not me, I was SW & DA at the time. Guess what I voted for?).
If you already had stuff painted UM you were assigned the company you had the most of. Unless someone had more.
Otherwise you drew randomly. I pulled the 9th.

I went a step further & decided that I was only going to use RT era models/options.
All my rhinos are the old bone colored plastics (with removable hatches so this can be proven)
All my dreads are the goofy RT styles.
All my marines are either RT plastics or metals (to the best of my knowledge/ability to tell, I don't think there's any recasts in there).


Sadly the project fizzled as several people never managed to complete their companies. :(

   
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The 9th might actually be one of the easier ones to fall into as an extra company.

In addition to my 3rd company force, I’ve got a lot of spare marines on the swap shelf. A lot of them are heavy weapons. While my “shelf” deployment for my dev squads is fixed, when they hit the table they are very likely to change places, to do things like spam 4xLC, or whatever the list needs. If you are building a large collection to pull armies out of, having 4-12 of each heavy weapon is something useful. Unlike basic bolter marines. At a certain point, you just have more of those than you could ever put into a list.

I’ve got a lot of spare bolter brothers, but a lot of that is the way GW pushed them for years. Every starter box, most battleforces, BaC/BoP. I’ve retired the 2nd ed bolter huggers from my company, but they are still on call. With all the random guys and stuff still on sprue, I could do a second firstborn company. But that got sidetracked by primaris.

Don’t even ask about my captain problem. The number I have is not approved by the Codex.

   
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@ccs: Ahh, nice. That sounds like a really cool collection. Do all the Rhinos have the "hang-bars" on them? I love that detail but it's usually the first to go with time or people don't put them on in the first place.

@Nevelon: You're totally right. I probably have the 40 Heavy weapons required for the 9th Co. Painted up already, with tons more unpainted.

I have the same Captain problem too.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
@ccs: Ahh, nice. That sounds like a really cool collection. Do all the Rhinos have the "hang-bars" on them? I love that detail but it's usually the first to go with time or people don't put them on in the first place.


Some do. Most don't as most of them were acquired 2nd hand, cheaply, & looong out of box well after being oop (for that color of plastic) even then. I can only assume that battle damage occurred before they became part of my "Fighting 9th". Incomplete damaged ones were removed (and stored). A few have gotten replacement bitz over the years as I've come across spare vintage pieces in EBay lots etc. But replacing the hang bars has never been a priority as I've never viewed them as mandatory to begin with (I've seen GW pics without them, so....)
None will ever have replacement grey plastic hang bars though. It'll be original bitz or nothing.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
Too young for this one, but didn't GW do this as a purchase option a few years back? Bit of a "We don't expect anyone to actually buy it, but put it for sale as a laugh", wasn't it something like £30k?
The Astartes Ultra box set. £7065 (I don't know if it was available third party with a discount). End of 2013.
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

The big ticket items though were those Thunderhawks. Everyone wanted one of those, although given the horror stories around that kit, it's probably good that we never did.


It's not that bad. As long as you pin the central hull supports (which come with holes already), everything else is pretty straightforward.


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
To be honest, the spectacle comes from the number of minis - you really don't want any closeups, because hey were banged out to a schedule by store staff - most of them will be basically painted to "Battle Ready", in today's terms.

It's mostly curiosity - are all the Scouts the Advanced Space Crusade plastic ones, for example.


Yes, although some have had the sergeants replaced by the sergeant from the squads in the 2nd edition box set. The 10th company captain appears to be in white armour, and while there are four tarantulas and five rapiers, there's only three dreadnoughts and one land speeder.
The 2nd, 3rd, 8th and 9th company captains are from the set of six captains released in 1990 - the one with power fist that got later modified to have Imperial Fist markings (3rd), the actual Ultramarines captain (8th) and the bald one with the bionic leg (2nd and 9th). 1st company captain was converted with a double-barrelled plasma gun and the rest are just veteran sergeant models with delusions of grandeur.
You want White Dwarf 195, March 1995 (the UK version).

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:

The big ticket items though were those Thunderhawks. Everyone wanted one of those, although given the horror stories around that kit, it's probably good that we never did.


It's not that bad. As long as you pin the central hull supports (which come with holes already), everything else is pretty straightforward.

You have one? Got a pic of that bad boy?

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
there's only three dreadnoughts and one land speeder..

There are 7 dreadnoughts. In the first pic, there are three staggered along the back line, and another four tucked in behind the Terminators at the front.

 
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:

The big ticket items though were those Thunderhawks. Everyone wanted one of those, although given the horror stories around that kit, it's probably good that we never did.


It's not that bad. As long as you pin the central hull supports (which come with holes already), everything else is pretty straightforward.

You have one? Got a pic of that bad boy?




There's more pics in that gallery.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
there's only three dreadnoughts and one land speeder..

There are 7 dreadnoughts. In the first pic, there are three staggered along the back line, and another four tucked in behind the Terminators at the front.


Still a bit off from the ~4 per company there should be.

Edit:
Nice Thunderhawk!

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 Nevelon wrote:

Still a bit off from the ~4 per company there should be.

In 2nd edition, Dreadnoughts weren't quite as prolific. The fluff back then mentioned that for each company "...it is unlikely that they will have more than two or three operating at any one time. Veteran Companies tend to have more, but even so their numbers are extremely limited..."

So 7 for the Chapter was still a bit light on, but it was close enough and (at a time when a lot of casual Space Marine armies didn't have one) enough to be visually impressive. I don't recall anyone at the time ever questioning why there were 'only' 7.

 
   
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Not to mention that they were still in metal at that point, and so probably a bit more of an investment for a display than the plastic troops were?

Looks like six of them were in the Ultramarines configuration, with one rocking the arms from the Dark Angels dread - and none of them on bases, which is interesting. This was before the sculpted 60mm base, and probably before the standard 60mm base, but I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts came with a 40mm square base at that point, to help them not fall over as often.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Not to mention that they were still in metal at that point, and so probably a bit more of an investment for a display than the plastic troops were?

I'm sure GW could have scraped together the £100 (retail) or so for another half dozen.

They weren't destitute in the 90s.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Not to mention that they were still in metal at that point, and so probably a bit more of an investment for a display than the plastic troops were?

Looks like six of them were in the Ultramarines configuration, with one rocking the arms from the Dark Angels dread - and none of them on bases, which is interesting. This was before the sculpted 60mm base, and probably before the standard 60mm base, but I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts came with a 40mm square base at that point, to help them not fall over as often.


Oddly, my 2nd ed era metal dread is not on a base, while my RT one is. 3rd+ are all on plastic 60mm bases.

I keep meaning to base him just for consistency, but never get around to it.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:
... and none of them on bases, which is interesting. This was before the sculpted 60mm base, and probably before the standard 60mm base, but I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts came with a 40mm square base at that point, to help them not fall over as often.

It was way before the 60mm base, even the flat version that was introduced with Guard. The 2nd ed Dread sometimes had a square monster base from WHFB, but I can't remember if it was ever actually supplied with it or just added by those who wanted a base on it. Most people used them without bases.

 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Not to mention that they were still in metal at that point, and so probably a bit more of an investment for a display than the plastic troops were?

Looks like six of them were in the Ultramarines configuration, with one rocking the arms from the Dark Angels dread - and none of them on bases, which is interesting. This was before the sculpted 60mm base, and probably before the standard 60mm base, but I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts came with a 40mm square base at that point, to help them not fall over as often.


No, they didn't. Firstly that dreadnought will never fit on a 40mm square base, even diagonally. Secondly, the model came without a base - it was a vehicle after all, so it's not like a base was relevant to the rules. All the studio ones were based on what look to be 60mm squares, probably made from plasticard or from multiple square slottabases glued together.

Also, the multi-melta, power fist (Blood Angels and Ultramarines), lascannon and missile launcher (Dark Angels) and Assault Cannon (Bjorn and Ultramarines) had no chapter-specific markings - only the sarcophagus fronts, banner tops and Bjorn's lightning claw were chapter-specific. Even there, the sarcophagus from the Blood Angels drednought has a winged skull - pretty generic, really.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Not to mention that they were still in metal at that point, and so probably a bit more of an investment for a display than the plastic troops were?

Looks like six of them were in the Ultramarines configuration, with one rocking the arms from the Dark Angels dread - and none of them on bases, which is interesting. This was before the sculpted 60mm base, and probably before the standard 60mm base, but I'm pretty sure Dreadnoughts came with a 40mm square base at that point, to help them not fall over as often.


No, they didn't. Firstly that dreadnought will never fit on a 40mm square base, even diagonally. Secondly, the model came without a base - it was a vehicle after all, so it's not like a base was relevant to the rules. All the studio ones were based on what look to be 60mm squares, probably made from plasticard or from multiple square slottabases glued together.

Also, the multi-melta, power fist (Blood Angels and Ultramarines), lascannon and missile launcher (Dark Angels) and Assault Cannon (Bjorn and Ultramarines) had no chapter-specific markings - only the sarcophagus fronts, banner tops and Bjorn's lightning claw were chapter-specific. Even there, the sarcophagus from the Blood Angels drednought has a winged skull - pretty generic, really.


The studio ones are based on actual GW bases of that size, because I based mine on them. It was a fantasy base for a dragon or griffin or some sort of creature at the time.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:

The big ticket items though were those Thunderhawks. Everyone wanted one of those, although given the horror stories around that kit, it's probably good that we never did.


It's not that bad. As long as you pin the central hull supports (which come with holes already), everything else is pretty straightforward.

You have one? Got a pic of that bad boy?




There's more pics in that gallery.
Those are great! I especially appreciate the closeup of the scale.

Makes me want one again :/

Edit: I also really really like the pic you did with the RT Rhino for a scale comparison. That was one reason I liked the idea of the metal T-Hawk over the FW one. The FW one is huge and just feels out of place on the table (I did one as a commission once). The metal one looks like a more satisfying "play size" to me. Also easier to put on a shelf and display.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

The studio ones are based on actual GW bases of that size, because I based mine on them. It was a fantasy base for a dragon or griffin or some sort of creature at the time.


The largest base GW made at that time was the 40mm square base (which is indeed what the high elf griffon rider came with), but that was never supplied with those dreadnoughts, because they'd never fit.

https://miniset.net/sets/gw-9911010100200

That's a photo of the Studio Blood Angels dreadnought (a later photo, as the box photography had it on no base), and that's not a Citadel base it's on. Too big, and no bevelled edge.
   
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Yeah it always looked like a block of basswood or something they cut down for a custom base. That's more or less what I wound up doing with mine at the time.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

The studio ones are based on actual GW bases of that size, because I based mine on them. It was a fantasy base for a dragon or griffin or some sort of creature at the time.


The largest base GW made at that time was the 40mm square base (which is indeed what the high elf griffon rider came with), but that was never supplied with those dreadnoughts, because they'd never fit.

https://miniset.net/sets/gw-9911010100200

That's a photo of the Studio Blood Angels dreadnought (a later photo, as the box photography had it on no base), and that's not a Citadel base it's on. Too big, and no bevelled edge.


Okay, let's go again. I bought a base, from a games workshop, in the 90's (could be any year between 96 and 98 as it was pre 3rd edition) to base my dreadnought on, and it fit, It was right at the absolute edge of the base, but it fit diagonally. The second edition ork dreadnought also fit on exactly the same base size.

Whilst this isn't my own actual dreadnought as I no longer have the model, this is exactly how it looked, and that is a GW or well, citadel base from the time period.

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If my high school math is correct, the diagonal on a 40mm square is about 56mm. So not that far off from a 60mm round. I’ve seen old dreads on them, I just don’t think they came with them.

I wonder what happened to Brother SRM. Last post was a few years ago.

   
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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Whilst this isn't my own actual dreadnought as I no longer have the model, this is exactly how it looked, and that is a GW or well, citadel base from the time period.
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Yup, that's on the 50mm 'Monster' base. It was nowhere near as common as the regular 40mm large one, and thinking back I think it may have actually only been available through Mail Order for a time and wasn't actually supplied with any kits, as all the large creatures in WHFB at that time were either baseless or on the 40mm bases.
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 insaniak wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Whilst this isn't my own actual dreadnought as I no longer have the model, this is exactly how it looked, and that is a GW or well, citadel base from the time period.
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Yup, that's on the 50mm 'Monster' base. It was nowhere near as common as the regular 40mm large one, and thinking back I think it may have actually only been available through Mail Order for a time and wasn't actually supplied with any kits, as all the large creatures in WHFB at that time were either baseless or on the 40mm bases.


It was bought in a separate pack, I didn't have to buy a model to get it, and it was sold in store, in the UK at least it was. It was definitely a citadel blister, and I think it was more than one, as I said before, I put my ork dreadnought on it.

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Having only started back in 2014, I must say that I'm in love with this kind of image. I've started with a second hand IG army with a 3.5 codex, I loved the illustration pictures that much that I have got a hold of many older codices mainly fo this reason, although on a whole the fluff in them is just great too.

WHile I do prefer minis from, lets say, 5th to 7th editions, these pictures neveretheless give incredible glory to these older miniatures!

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

The studio ones are based on actual GW bases of that size, because I based mine on them. It was a fantasy base for a dragon or griffin or some sort of creature at the time.


The largest base GW made at that time was the 40mm square base (which is indeed what the high elf griffon rider came with), but that was never supplied with those dreadnoughts, because they'd never fit.


Well, you are simply wrong about them not fitting.
You're also partially wrong about them not coming with bases. It was inconsistent. Sometimes they did, & sometimes they didn't. My Bjorn & my UM didn't. My 2 BA ones? They did. My buddies BA dread? Nope.
   
 
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