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I saw No Time to Die so I think I might talk about it.

Spoilers ahead!

Spoiler:


If you watch all 5 movies over a week, you will see that they are all interlinked with a strong character arc for Bond. Sure, each is a self-contained film BUT it also follows Bond's development as a spy and character.

This one is a natural capstone to the Craig Bonds, and ends much better than any other set of Bonds film in the series. In the end, Bond has grown and changed from who he was, to who he is; and the end makes logical sense from what came before.

This one also walks the line between Bond as a "Blunt Instrument" and "Professional Killer" and Bond as a character. He is very human in this one, but never loses the fact that he is always a few easy moments away from solving his problems with violence. In fact, he is very, mechanically good at solving problems with violence. However, the movie highlights that their are many problems that can not be solved that way.

The action scenes, Bond's professionalism and skill shows through. He can take out oodles of henchmen and not miss a shot, and easily drive them off the road. He is the best. However, what this movie does better than previous ones is to add an emotional conflict to go along with the action conflict. The opening scene is a tour de force in this regard.

In Spectre we see the height of Bond's skills as a killer. There is no thrill and it is much more mechanical. Here, he has the same mechanical skill but this time there is higher, personal stakes. This feels more like Skyfall than Spectre.

As for the villain, he was a mirror of Bond. He also wanted to destroy Spectre for killing his family. Then, he tried to replace his lost family with Bond's. Bond himself lost his "family" to Spectre. Sure, the Big Bad had a desire to thin the population, but ultimately his threat to Bond was personal more than anything else. His resources and desires were explained very quickly in Mr. White's secret room.

Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.

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 Pacific wrote:
That was probably my criticism of the film too - both the Malek baddie and Blofield in particular were badly developed. And Christopher Waltz was criminally under-used in his role. I would say the only thing comparable to it in modern film is the casting of Idris Elba and Matthew Mcconaughey in The Dark Tower (which could have been absolutely the perfect casting) and then making a film that missed the mark.

I really enjoyed No Time to Die. Without putting things in Spoilers they dared to do something new, developed the character, still had some great action sequences. Bond took off his shirt 5 times in the first 20 minutes, kicked around with some hot laydees and gunned down tons of people while coming out with one-liners, so the core of the film stayed the same in that respect.

Spoiler:
Honestly thought the ending was a great one. They finally gave him something worth dying for and it neatly tied up his character arc.

I am guessing now they will go the modern franchise route, which is to wait a few years, cast someone younger/new and then start a new series of films.


Spoiler:
The Bond franchise pioneered that route.

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Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.


Well perhaps not the DC Bond films but most Bond films used to end with Bond in bed with the girl sailing/flying/driving off into the sunset - I seem to recall at least one joke about happy endings.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.


Well perhaps not the DC Bond films but most Bond films used to end with Bond in bed with the girl sailing/flying/driving off into the sunset - I seem to recall at least one joke about happy endings.


Except that it was all ephemeral. Almost, sitcom-ish in a way. At the end, nothing changed for Bond.

The Craig version changed that sitcom nature of Bond.

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 Easy E wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.


Well perhaps not the DC Bond films but most Bond films used to end with Bond in bed with the girl sailing/flying/driving off into the sunset - I seem to recall at least one joke about happy endings.


Except that it was all ephemeral. Almost, sitcom-ish in a way. At the end, nothing changed for Bond.

The Craig version changed that sitcom nature of Bond.


For the worse IMO

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Good fun, closed Bond's character journey well.
Lordy, they made him look old... This Bond's story is done, long live the next one! Never felt like an almost 3-hour film.

First cinema visit in 18 months!

Bad guys were not terribly well drawn, the film had its share of poor plot moments. It all got a bit lost wandering round the final base.

Action scenes were generally done well.

Ana de Armas really stole Lashana Lynch's thunder.

Dou Dou went out like a fracking boss.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.


Well perhaps not the DC Bond films but most Bond films used to end with Bond in bed with the girl sailing/flying/driving off into the sunset - I seem to recall at least one joke about happy endings.


Except that it was all ephemeral. Almost, sitcom-ish in a way. At the end, nothing changed for Bond.

The Craig version changed that sitcom nature of Bond.


For the worse IMO


 Lance845 wrote:

Daniel Craig having history and backstory and continuity between movies that actually makes him less of a newspaper comic strip cartoon is even a point of contention for some. He's such a nothing that some people don't like it when he becomes something.


SEE?!


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I think whenever a franchise strays off its tried and trusted path then it will get people that like that it has done that, and people that dislike it. Think that's just the way it is.

Personally I am glad they tried to do something new and perhaps bold (I mean in terms of the overall story arc).

I know the George Lazenby film is often listed as the more poorly rated Bond because it humanised him. I think this film shows that it was possible to do that while still keeping it as a 'Bond' film in some aspects, even though in others (compare this film to any of the Brosnan outings) they could exist in completely different universes.

 Easy E wrote:
I saw No Time to Die so I think I might talk about it.

Spoilers ahead!

Spoiler:


If you watch all 5 movies over a week, you will see that they are all interlinked with a strong character arc for Bond. Sure, each is a self-contained film BUT it also follows Bond's development as a spy and character.

This one is a natural capstone to the Craig Bonds, and ends much better than any other set of Bonds film in the series. In the end, Bond has grown and changed from who he was, to who he is; and the end makes logical sense from what came before.

This one also walks the line between Bond as a "Blunt Instrument" and "Professional Killer" and Bond as a character. He is very human in this one, but never loses the fact that he is always a few easy moments away from solving his problems with violence. In fact, he is very, mechanically good at solving problems with violence. However, the movie highlights that their are many problems that can not be solved that way.

The action scenes, Bond's professionalism and skill shows through. He can take out oodles of henchmen and not miss a shot, and easily drive them off the road. He is the best. However, what this movie does better than previous ones is to add an emotional conflict to go along with the action conflict. The opening scene is a tour de force in this regard.

In Spectre we see the height of Bond's skills as a killer. There is no thrill and it is much more mechanical. Here, he has the same mechanical skill but this time there is higher, personal stakes. This feels more like Skyfall than Spectre.

As for the villain, he was a mirror of Bond. He also wanted to destroy Spectre for killing his family. Then, he tried to replace his lost family with Bond's. Bond himself lost his "family" to Spectre. Sure, the Big Bad had a desire to thin the population, but ultimately his threat to Bond was personal more than anything else. His resources and desires were explained very quickly in Mr. White's secret room.

Of course, there are no happy endings in Bond movies.



This summarises it much better than I could have, completely agree!

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