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EviscerationPlague wrote:
Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
How are the Squats?

Already banned at several German tournaments.

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz3ZC22CDLk&t=570s

Good. That means less people will buy them and MAYBE GW will listen

Nah that won't happen, because a bunch of short attention spanners will have already bought them because they're new and shiny.


Why insult people wanting to get a new army?! Its what keeps the game alive.

I plan on getting them, and I haven't been to a tournament since early 7th...I like the models. Especially the hearthkyn and sagitaurs.

Have fun with your CONSOOM. Kirby would be proud of you.


This forum needs a "based" button in addition to "Exalted."

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Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
 Strg Alt wrote:
How are the Squats?

Already banned at several German tournaments.

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz3ZC22CDLk&t=570s

Good. That means less people will buy them and MAYBE GW will listen

Nah that won't happen, because a bunch of short attention spanners will have already bought them because they're new and shiny.


Why insult people wanting to get a new army?! Its what keeps the game alive.

I plan on getting them, and I haven't been to a tournament since early 7th...I like the models. Especially the hearthkyn and sagitaurs.

Have fun with your CONSOOM. Kirby would be proud of you.


Are you just trolling? What is the point of you even posting?

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.
   
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Squats have great synergy, but to me it seems like they will start to fold fast if you can eliminate key units early. Snipering a Kahl off the board makes those two 20 man units he was sandwiched between much less scary.
   
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EviscerationPlague wrote:

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.


Do you not buy models then? Do you just look at their pictures online or something?

 
   
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Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.


Do you not buy models then? Do you just look at their pictures online or something?

Don't bother. They're not interested in being reasoned with, they're just one of the many people on here with a massive chip on their shoulder who are only interested in smugly stating how much better they are than people who simply get on and enjoy the hobby in whatever way they please. It's simply not worth engaging with them.
   
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Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.

Do you not buy models then? Do you just look at their pictures online or something?

The last models I bought were the plastic Valkyres back, like, 10 years ago I guess? Haven't bought anything since then, so I guess it is very much possible to stay in the hobby without spending a single coin on wares. After the starting investment of getting yourself an army you can (technically) play ad-infinitum. You can even get into the hobby without showing a single bit of your money to GW if you buy an army from a sale or if your gaming club has a store army you can use.

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 AtoMaki wrote:
Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.

Do you not buy models then? Do you just look at their pictures online or something?

The last models I bought were the plastic Valkyres back, like, 10 years ago I guess? Haven't bought anything since then, so I guess it is very much possible to stay in the hobby without spending a single coin on wares. After the starting investment of getting yourself an army you can (technically) play ad-infinitum. You can even get into the hobby without showing a single bit of your money to GW if you buy an army from a sale or if your gaming club has a store army you can use.


So? You still bought models for your chosen army. Hopefully models you also like....


   
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Heafstaag wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:

Kirby said the hobby was buying models. You fit right into his target demographic that he didn't even need market research on.


Do you not buy models then? Do you just look at their pictures online or something?

I'd only buy models I would use, and as of principle I stopped giving GW money until they sort out their gak with their rules. You however see SHINY and want to buy. So yes, you are exactly Kirby's demographic of the hobby = buying GW models.

Oh and my Marines are mostly third party anyway. My Custodes/Sigmarine project is on hold indefinitely.
   
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ccs wrote:
Hopefully models you also like....

Not really. Models I had to buy to play the game. If I had had alternatives (borrowed or store army) then I wouldn't have bought crap. Hence me not buying anything after my army was done.

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 AtoMaki wrote:
ccs wrote:
Hopefully models you also like....

Not really. Models I had to buy to play the game. If I had had alternatives (borrowed or store army) then I wouldn't have bought crap. Hence me not buying anything after my army was done.

Why even participate in a hobby that you hate the product of so much? im not a star wars fan so it would be a weird flex for me to be on a star wars forum bragging about how i managed to only purchase star wars models 10 years ago and wishing i could have avoided buying even those
   
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Asmodios wrote:
Why even participate in a hobby that you hate the product of so much?

I like the game and the setting. I can't give a flying gak about the "products" because I don't think they are as important as the game itself. Plastic is ultimately replaceable, having a laugh with your friends while you are blasting them off the table Turn 2 is not.

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 AtoMaki wrote:
ccs wrote:
Hopefully models you also like....

Not really. Models I had to buy to play the game. If I had had alternatives (borrowed or store army) then I wouldn't have bought crap. Hence me not buying anything after my army was done.


Life's too short to waste time & $ playing with models you don't like.
(Unless you're literally being paid to do so.)

If you can't build a functioning army using models you like (GW stuff - old or new, someone elses, kitbashed/converted, or now 3d printed)? Then move on to your next choice.
Only fools buy crap they don't like.
   
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ccs wrote:
Life's too short to waste time & $ playing with models you don't like.

Why? It is just some plastic. I don't have to like them to play with them.

ccs wrote:
If you can't build a functioning army using models you like (GW stuff - old or new, someone elses, kitbashed/converted, or now 3d printed)? Then move on to your next choice.

Why should I? I don't care about the models, I like the game, and that's enough. Like, are you really implying that I'm some kind of "lesser" player because I can't give a crap about the modeling aspect? What kind of gakky holier-than-thou attitude is that? Nazrak's assessment above really went over your head, didn't it?

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 AtoMaki wrote:
Asmodios wrote:
Why even participate in a hobby that you hate the product of so much?

I like the game and the setting. I can't give a flying gak about the "products" because I don't think they are as important as the game itself. Plastic is ultimately replaceable, having a laugh with your friends while you are blasting them off the table Turn 2 is not.

Once again to my example it would be weird if i loved the star wars lore and setting, then hated the models that were a direct representation of the lore and setting. i mean whatever floats your boat but honestly comes off more like the edgy kid that thinks its cool to hate on something he's clearly into. But at least your in the correct time now as you can 3D print all types of counts as models that have different themes to the GW models but can be used for gameplay
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And anyone should listen to you when it comes to their own disposable income because?

20 words of less, please.


There's the argument that thoughtless consumption of product worsens said product for thoughtful consumers.

That's 14 words? Not saying I agree with them, but I do see where people like EviscerationPlague are coming from (although there is a certain hostility of tone from some members which make it seem like an unreasonable position).

edit: It's the same basic concept that boycotts are founded on, and I think most people generally agree with the concept of boycotts. "Your company is doing A Bad Thing that I don't approve of, so I'm not going to purchase from it, and I'm going to ask others to not purchase from it as well, so that when you're making less profits you might consider not doing The Bad Thing any more."

In this case the bad thing is churning out low effort, poorly balanced gaming material. Those who purchase the box set are telling GW to continue forward with that, since it's making them money.

Again, not throwing my own hat in here (I'm too cowardly to do that on the internet), just stating the thought process in a hopefully less hostile way.

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How is choosing to buy a new army in a hobby thoughtless?

Geeze, some of you folks seem outta your minds about people *gasp* enjoying the hobby.

 
   
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From a certain perspective, it's thoughtless because it's not considering the deeper implications.

One could make the argument that people *gasp* enjoying the hobby is causing others to *gasp* not enjoy the hobby. Who can say who is right, in that situation? Each side has equal right to enjoy the hobby, don't they?

The compromise would be that the people who enjoy buying miniatures they like with no deeper thought buy the miniatures that they like, and the people who don't want GW to shovel out crap army books do not play against those armies and do not allow those armies to play at public events.

I'm on a podcast about (video) game design:
https://anchor.fm/makethatgame
https://www.youtube.com/@makethatgame
And I also stream tabletop painting/playing Mon&Thurs 8PM EST
https://twitch.tv/tableitgaming 
   
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 Rihgu wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And anyone should listen to you when it comes to their own disposable income because?

20 words of less, please.


There's the argument that thoughtless consumption of product worsens said product for thoughtful consumers.

That's 14 words? Not saying I agree with them, but I do see where people like EviscerationPlague are coming from (although there is a certain hostility of tone from some members which make it seem like an unreasonable position).

edit: It's the same basic concept that boycotts are founded on, and I think most people generally agree with the concept of boycotts. "Your company is doing A Bad Thing that I don't approve of, so I'm not going to purchase from it, and I'm going to ask others to not purchase from it as well, so that when you're making less profits you might consider not doing The Bad Thing any more."

In this case the bad thing is churning out low effort, poorly balanced gaming material. Those who purchase the box set are telling GW to continue forward with that, since it's making them money.

Again, not throwing my own hat in here (I'm too cowardly to do that on the internet), just stating the thought process in a hopefully less hostile way.

When I decide I'm done with a company/IP I'm just done with it. For instance I was a huge GOT fan and read all the books at release... then the ruined ASOFAI after the initial great season and I realized GRRM was never going to finish the last book so I decided I was done. I don't play their bored game, I don't watch the new shows, I don't buy their products and I don't go to their forums anymore. Its weird to me you have people "boycotting GW" for decades and yet still actively following the hobby and all concerned about people not boycotting buying the products. Maybe its time for these people to more on completely after a decade of being salty
   
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 Rihgu wrote:
From a certain perspective, it's thoughtless because it's not considering the deeper implications.

One could make the argument that people *gasp* enjoying the hobby is causing others to *gasp* not enjoy the hobby. Who can say who is right, in that situation? Each side has equal right to enjoy the hobby, don't they?

The compromise would be that the people who enjoy buying miniatures they like with no deeper thought buy the miniatures that they like, and the people who don't want GW to shovel out crap army books do not play against those armies and do not allow those armies to play at public events.


Wow, maybe people should just realize that warhammer is imbalanced and armies have cycles of being good and bad. Remember grey knights in 5th? And guard leafblower lists?


 
   
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Heafstaag wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
From a certain perspective, it's thoughtless because it's not considering the deeper implications.

One could make the argument that people *gasp* enjoying the hobby is causing others to *gasp* not enjoy the hobby. Who can say who is right, in that situation? Each side has equal right to enjoy the hobby, don't they?

The compromise would be that the people who enjoy buying miniatures they like with no deeper thought buy the miniatures that they like, and the people who don't want GW to shovel out crap army books do not play against those armies and do not allow those armies to play at public events.


Wow, maybe people should just realize that warhammer is imbalanced and armies have cycles of being good and bad. Remember grey knights in 5th? And guard leafblower lists?



It's almost like we should ask more from the largest tabletop minis company in the world instead of just accepting the gak they shovel at us.


 
   
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 Rihgu wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And anyone should listen to you when it comes to their own disposable income because?

20 words of less, please.


There's the argument that thoughtless consumption of product worsens said product for thoughtful consumers.

That's 14 words? Not saying I agree with them, but I do see where people like EviscerationPlague are coming from (although there is a certain hostility of tone from some members which make it seem like an unreasonable position).

edit: It's the same basic concept that boycotts are founded on, and I think most people generally agree with the concept of boycotts. "Your company is doing A Bad Thing that I don't approve of, so I'm not going to purchase from it, and I'm going to ask others to not purchase from it as well, so that when you're making less profits you might consider not doing The Bad Thing any more."

In this case the bad thing is churning out low effort, poorly balanced gaming material. Those who purchase the box set are telling GW to continue forward with that, since it's making them money.

Again, not throwing my own hat in here (I'm too cowardly to do that on the internet), just stating the thought process in a hopefully less hostile way.

The problem here is you're making a personal value judgement about a product/company and assuming everyone agrees with you, which is a pretty arrogant approach (I know you're talking in hypotheticals, so I'm not necessarily saying you are arrogant yourself). You're assuming they haven't made these determinations themselves and simply come to a different conclusion. It also assumes everyone's motivations are the same. The rules for LoV are terrible but plenty of people don't really care about that and might be excited about the modelling or painting possibilities of the new models.
   
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The rules for LoV are terrible but plenty of people don't really care about that and might be excited about the modelling or painting possibilities of the new models.

Pretty much this.
Players must decide if they build up a (competitive) LoV army despite the fact that their armies may be banned from tourneys.
Painters and models pretty much don't care.

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Just wait for the nerf bat to come down and the whales sell all their unopened, unpainted stuff.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Just wait for the nerf bat to come down and the whales sell all their unopened, unpainted stuff.



Good. Might find a cheap codex on eBay...


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I went in blind and bought 2 army sets without knowing anything about their rules, only how the models look.

Don't care if they are overpowered or useless; I decided the instant they where announced that I would be getting me some space dwarfs.

After having read their codex abit, they do seem strong, probably too strong, but I'm sure that it'll get sorted soon enough.
(Them being banned in tournaments doesn't affect me since I never intend to attend a tournament ever again.)

If you want to hate on me for buying the "new shiny OP stuff", bring the hate. I literally couldn't care less.

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 Nazrak wrote:

Don't bother. They're not interested in being reasoned with, they're just one of the many people on here with a massive chip on their shoulder who are only interested in smugly stating how much better they are than people who simply get on and enjoy the hobby in whatever way they please. It's simply not worth engaging with them.


What's the hobby to you? Games Workshop or miniature gaming?


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 MinscS2 wrote:
I went in blind and bought 2 army sets without knowing anything about their rules, only how the models look.

Don't care if they are overpowered or useless; I decided the instant they where announced that I would be getting me some space dwarfs.

After having read their codex abit, they do seem strong, probably too strong, but I'm sure that it'll get sorted soon enough.
(Them being banned in tournaments doesn't affect me since I never intend to attend a tournament ever again.)

If you want to hate on me for buying the "new shiny OP stuff", bring the hate. I literally couldn't care less.


I don't think I'd hate on someone for buying the models because they'd like them. The models are pretty cool and their depiction in the setting is pretty neat. The only issue I've seen is people saying that players are wrong for not wanting to play against a codex that's that powerful.

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Hecaton 806988 11435650 wrote:

I don't think I'd hate on someone for buying the models because they'd like them. The models are pretty cool and their depiction in the setting is pretty neat. The only issue I've seen is people saying that players are wrong for not wanting to play against a codex that's that powerful.

If they didn't do the same, aka ask for bans, for other factions, including the one they may have possibly played themselfs is a huge double standard. When someone who plays or played a top army, and told you stuff like to learn to play and build your army properly, followed by I didn't use a 100% optimised list only a 85% one, it leaves me cold to their arguments to ban LoV. And LoV is a faction that anihilates small meq elite armies that are short/melee focused, which includes my army. There are things you do not do, because if you do it for one thing, it will be done for other things too, and the the flood gates open and there is total chaos.

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