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2022/09/28 15:00:29
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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clodax66 wrote: G00fySmiley wrote:judgment tokens really are just too good. if they wanted it implemented as is there needs to be a cost associated to it. i get they hate a unit so shoot more at it, maybe more concentrating on it but less on their surroundings.
my solution
any unit shooting at a unit with a judgment token/s pays a price as below
1 token - loses cover save
2 tokens - no cover and +1 to hit that unit
3 tokens - no cover, +1 to hit and +1 to wound
if you did this what would you do with scanners, because no one would take the scanners
not all upgrades/strats/equipment is useful to all armies and situations. plenty of relics, traits, strats and unit abilities in my ork codex that are useless against some armies. think our choppas finally getting back ap-1 and now armor of contempt just flat out ignoring it.
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2022/09/28 15:02:39
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:I find it hard to consider how I would even create a strategy against a LoV player (I play Custodes). Even IF I can get my telemon into melee range with their tank, I'm still not gonna kill it out right, and there is an extremely good chance he deletes me if he looks at me funny.
The only thing in my entire faction that can reliably handle a T9 platform is either a gimmicky 1 shot launcher on a Termy captain, or a Telemon. I'm not bringing out the Ares, as that would be silly.
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
There's been T9 since at least the Chaos Daemons book, and it hasn't seemed to have been that big of a deal.
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2022/09/28 21:50:15
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Rihgu wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:I find it hard to consider how I would even create a strategy against a LoV player (I play Custodes). Even IF I can get my telemon into melee range with their tank, I'm still not gonna kill it out right, and there is an extremely good chance he deletes me if he looks at me funny.
The only thing in my entire faction that can reliably handle a T9 platform is either a gimmicky 1 shot launcher on a Termy captain, or a Telemon. I'm not bringing out the Ares, as that would be silly.
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
There's been T9 since at least the Chaos Daemons book, and it hasn't seemed to have been that big of a deal.
As transports with Knight blasting Railguns? I mean, sure, some of the silly FW stuff. But in general meta?
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2022/09/28 21:59:49
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:I find it hard to consider how I would even create a strategy against a LoV player (I play Custodes). Even IF I can get my telemon into melee range with their tank, I'm still not gonna kill it out right, and there is an extremely good chance he deletes me if he looks at me funny.
The only thing in my entire faction that can reliably handle a T9 platform is either a gimmicky 1 shot launcher on a Termy captain, or a Telemon. I'm not bringing out the Ares, as that would be silly.
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
They haven't popped up much yet, but chaos landraiders are AoC 2+ save with Toughness 9 now, and come in at 265 pts.
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2022/09/28 22:16:26
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Aren't they called Grudge Tokens.....not Judgment Tokens?
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2022/09/28 22:22:27
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
Wild to me that it wasn't a big knight or Baneblade chassis that was T9.
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2022/09/28 23:49:24
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
The Land Fortress isn't really the first T9-model in 40k though is it?
It will also only be T9 in the URSR League, and while that Custom isn't bad at all, it probably won't be nearly as common as the Greater Thurian League or the Ymyr League.
(And the Ymyr variants, while "only" T8, will pack a 4++ instead, which I'd probaly pick over +1T in most scenarios.)
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2022/09/29 01:31:50
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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MinscS2 wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
The Land Fortress isn't really the first T9-model in 40k though is it?
It will also only be T9 in the URSR League, and while that Custom isn't bad at all, it probably won't be nearly as common as the Greater Thurian League or the Ymyr League.
(And the Ymyr variants, while "only" T8, will pack a 4++ instead, which I'd probaly pick over +1T in most scenarios.)
The army having built in AoC makes the 4++ less relevant
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2022/09/29 10:25:01
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Depends on your meta I suppose.
My main opponent currently is 'nids with Tyrannofexes and Shardgullet, so the +1T doesn't matter but the 4++ does.
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2022/09/29 11:59:17
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Well gw realized they had went too far and nerfed army already. Good for them
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2022/09/29 12:05:57
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Fixture of Dakka
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Rihgu wrote:
There's been T9 since at least the Chaos Daemons book, and it hasn't seemed to have been that big of a deal.
On stuff which is melee or has bad guns like land raiders it has a much less of an impact. Impulsors can have an inv save, they didn't make the game broken the way option for other armies did.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2022/09/29 12:11:26
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:Well gw realized they had went too far and nerfed army already. Good for them
Pretty sweeping nerfs. You are probably up 300-400 points from where you were before. That's quite a lot to cut.
Possibly a bit of an overreaction for something never used in anger - but I guess we'll have to see.
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2022/09/29 12:17:50
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Votann been played by players already.
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2022/09/29 12:21:02
Subject: Re:A thought on leagues of votaan
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Fixture of Dakka
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In practice, this means it’s not always clear what kind of competitive environment a new book will drop into. In this instance, the army was tested against other recent books like Aeldari and Tyranids – many of which have seen their own increases in points and rules adjustments since their release to align with the wider game.
Looks I was at least partialy right. LoV are a at worse a second half of 9th ed designed codex. They are balanced vs books like it. So just like all other books from the same batch it will bring same kind of problems. Which probably means that for the game it would be better, if GW made a half edition update book for old books, then try to nerf down books that came out later or even were ment for the next edition. Automatically Appended Next Post:
It has seen mass testing since the whole codex leak, and some people for sure had the rules much sooner then the general public. It is also a very few units army, so there isn't that much things to test to be honest. It maybe important for the people that care what ever their army build is 64% or 67% win rate, but not the general public.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2022/09/29 12:34:20
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Anyway, the big news surely is that Codex Zoats is in the pipeline.
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2022/09/29 13:49:27
Subject: Re:A thought on leagues of votaan
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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Well they got a faq today, auto wounds dont count as 6's anymore for thier ability. Without referring to the codex thier points changed as well. Any thoughts on how this effects them?
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2022/09/29 13:52:00
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
Land raider is T9 right now.
And honestly, we need to break that dumb "T8 Max" rule
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2022/09/29 15:12:09
Subject: A thought on leagues of votaan
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Tyel wrote:Anyway, the big news surely is that Codex Zoats is in the pipeline.
an entire army of 2+ rerollable invunerable saves! finally the balance we are looking for Automatically Appended Next Post: VladimirHerzog wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But honestly, did GW consider what unleashing a T9 platform on current 40k would do to factions that are mired in a world where the max is T8?
Land raider is T9 right now.
And honestly, we need to break that dumb "T8 Max" rule
i don't disagree but I am going to besuper annoyed when most titans move past T8 and they leave the stompa and custom stompa at T8 because "orks" and still give it a points increase anyway
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