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Go watch Astartes and tell me marines are boring :p

Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Hecaton wrote:
Yeah, they're boring, but they should have a place in the setting. I'd love to see them take a step back for a bit.

It'd be audacious, but imagine a new edition launch without a space marines vs. x starter.

Or even two boxes - one is Space Marines vs. Orks or Nids, the other is CSM vs. Guard

They've had starter sets that didn't include Marines. They've also done the multiple box starter/expansion set. I'm guessing it didn't really perform well which is too bad, but I 'd love to see it. Not the wild swing you suggest - but imagine Space Marines vs (fleshed out and complete)Cultists and Guard vs Chaos Marines. This would be a great way to get Cultists/Traitor Guard, GSC/Differently Traitor Guard, Space Elven Pirates, Sisters of Silence and other subfaction/factions fleshed out even further define and set the soup/battle brothers rules into something that works.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Probably the best thing about the Astartes animation is how it doesn't fall into the typical bolter porn fare. The Marines in Astartes are mostly just killing small amounts of cultists/renegades/mercenaries(?) in quick, decisive engagements, and just moving on. Nobody is sucker punching Daemon Princes or pulling the heads of Tyranid Warriors. Nobody is leaping vast gorges or backflipping in Terminator armor. None of the over-the-top garbage. The big "super power" the Marines use is auto-senses to see through smoke, and good aim.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Probably the best thing about the Astartes animation is how it doesn't fall into the typical bolter porn fare. The Marines in Astartes are mostly just killing small amounts of cultists/renegades/mercenaries(?) in quick, decisive engagements, and just moving on. Nobody is sucker punching Daemon Princes or pulling the heads of Tyranid Warriors. Nobody is leaping vast gorges or backflipping in Terminator armor. None of the over-the-top garbage. The big "super power" the Marines use is auto-senses to see through smoke, and good aim.

To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger. It's just an animation that's meant to make them look like those super OP guys that can mow down mooks who really can't do jack and gak to them. Just... no tension whatsoever, so it bored me.

 Bobthehero wrote:
To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger.

I'm sorry, did you miss the psyker and the relic sections?

If not a challenge, what are those?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger.

I'm sorry, did you miss the psyker and the relic sections?

If not a challenge, what are those?

yeah, really sounds like Bob only watched the first two episodes

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger.

I'm sorry, did you miss the psyker and the relic sections?

If not a challenge, what are those?

Or heck, even the Auto-cannon and twin-multilasers the cultists set up. All things considered those were both rather fantastic setups and very well could have killed them.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Probably the best thing about the Astartes animation is how it doesn't fall into the typical bolter porn fare. The Marines in Astartes are mostly just killing small amounts of cultists/renegades/mercenaries(?) in quick, decisive engagements, and just moving on. Nobody is sucker punching Daemon Princes or pulling the heads of Tyranid Warriors. Nobody is leaping vast gorges or backflipping in Terminator armor. None of the over-the-top garbage. The big "super power" the Marines use is auto-senses to see through smoke, and good aim.

To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger. It's just an animation that's meant to make them look like those super OP guys that can mow down mooks who really can't do jack and gak to them. Just... no tension whatsoever, so it bored me.

Realistically, that's typically how they (or anybody) should be engaging the opposition. Very unfairly. Killing mooks should feel routine, and look routine, because each Marine has done it a thousand times. All in a day's work, for them. But they still went about it in a smart way, leveraging every advantage available

But there were challenges still. As noted, they didn't just wade through Multilaser fire, for example. And the sorcerors were nearly unsurmountable.

Space Marines are not as boring as the complaints about Space Marines.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Probably the best thing about the Astartes animation is how it doesn't fall into the typical bolter porn fare. The Marines in Astartes are mostly just killing small amounts of cultists/renegades/mercenaries(?) in quick, decisive engagements, and just moving on. Nobody is sucker punching Daemon Princes or pulling the heads of Tyranid Warriors. Nobody is leaping vast gorges or backflipping in Terminator armor. None of the over-the-top garbage. The big "super power" the Marines use is auto-senses to see through smoke, and good aim.

To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger. It's just an animation that's meant to make them look like those super OP guys that can mow down mooks who really can't do jack and gak to them. Just... no tension whatsoever, so it bored me.

Realistically, that's typically how they (or anybody) should be engaging the opposition. Very unfairly. Killing mooks should feel routine, and look routine, because each Marine has done it a thousand times. All in a day's work, for them. But they still went about it in a smart way, leveraging every advantage available

But there were challenges still. As noted, they didn't just wade through Multilaser fire, for example. And the sorcerors were nearly unsurmountable.

Took cover, one shotted it with a plasma pistol, if I remember well, while it just barely did some damage. Wooh. Very challenging. It's exactly the fact that's it's ''a day's work'' that makes it so bolter-porn-y to me. Make it so there's even a sense of threat in the vid and it becomes much better, but as it stands, it's just invincible protags wading through useless mooks with a turret section and a boss that ended up being turned to a meme.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Seen it, they are. That was just Bolter Porn in video form.

Probably the best thing about the Astartes animation is how it doesn't fall into the typical bolter porn fare. The Marines in Astartes are mostly just killing small amounts of cultists/renegades/mercenaries(?) in quick, decisive engagements, and just moving on. Nobody is sucker punching Daemon Princes or pulling the heads of Tyranid Warriors. Nobody is leaping vast gorges or backflipping in Terminator armor. None of the over-the-top garbage. The big "super power" the Marines use is auto-senses to see through smoke, and good aim.

To me at least, it's Bolter-porn-y in the sense that Marines are put in a situation where they're never really challenged or in any sort of real danger. It's just an animation that's meant to make them look like those super OP guys that can mow down mooks who really can't do jack and gak to them. Just... no tension whatsoever, so it bored me.

Realistically, that's typically how they (or anybody) should be engaging the opposition. Very unfairly. Killing mooks should feel routine, and look routine, because each Marine has done it a thousand times. All in a day's work, for them. But they still went about it in a smart way, leveraging every advantage available

But there were challenges still. As noted, they didn't just wade through Multilaser fire, for example. And the sorcerors were nearly unsurmountable.

Took cover, one shotted it with a plasma pistol, if I remember well, while it just barely did some damage. Wooh. Very challenging. It's exactly the fact that's it's ''a day's work'' that makes it so bolter-porn-y to me. Make it so there's even a sense of threat in the vid and it becomes much better, but as it stands, it's just invincible protags wading through useless mooks with a turret section and a boss that ended up being turned to a meme.

I'd love to know what you'd consider a fair and fun depiction of marines in the video medium to look like.

Something where they're seen as taking wounds/dying as well? Doesn't have to be in mass, but just some depiction where they're taking some form of loss would do well

You mean like half a dozen of them getting absorbed into some kind of evil twisted black ball of death and winding up in what looks like The Warp

Sudden warp shenanigans doesn't really make all the lead-up to it less bolter porn-y, though.

I also found Astartes kind of boring until it got to those good bits at the end. Superpowered protagonists effortlessly killing enemies that don't even manage to put a dent in them is cool for about thirty seconds, and then it starts to feel like 'look how cool my OC is' fanfiction. The end sequence and fantastic animation quality made up for it, but those first few episodes are pretty much the epitome of bolter porn.

I stopped watching before the “good” bits myself, the lead up is kinda just there at best. And I wasn’t invested in the end so it is flat when I did watch it later.

And It was the BEST bolter porn ever made.

Dawn of War 2 cinematic has a fair depiction of eldar vs marines were the two forces take casualties.

Yes. They're the equivalent as playing a human in DnD or WoW.

Astartes was like 13 minutes long. This was basically the opening to a wider series and the sarge did manage to blow off his own hand as well as the captain having to paste the inquisitor after showing an unknown marine basically as a skeleton.

It was a short film that established the capabilities of marines and a fraction of the horrors of the universe.

 catbarf wrote:
Sudden warp shenanigans doesn't really make all the lead-up to it less bolter porn-y, though.

I also found Astartes kind of boring until it got to those good bits at the end. Superpowered protagonists effortlessly killing enemies that don't even manage to put a dent in them is cool for about thirty seconds, and then it starts to feel like 'look how cool my OC is' fanfiction. The end sequence and fantastic animation quality made up for it, but those first few episodes are pretty much the epitome of bolter porn.

Hehe, yeah I'm kinda the opposite. The Warp shenanigan's were less interesting to me than the room-clearing.

1. What on earth is tactics?

2. Space marines have been boring since they got T4

I think the answer if you want general opinion is no. Many people clearly find them cool. And they are. I do wish they werent quite so front and centre tho

Dai wrote:
I think the answer if you want general opinion is no. Many people clearly find them cool. And they are. I do wish they werent quite so front and centre tho

Presentation goes a long way I think, when I started it didn’t feel like space marines where Super Awesome.
It was more, The Universe of 40k is super Scary, and space marines are Awesome within it.

Space Marine are boring in the same way that Marvel movies are boring. They're formulaic, over-saturated and every time they appear it more or less follows the same pattern.
Since it's a new year I'll state my annual post of my opinion on them:
Space Marine shouldn't exist as an army on the table. Imperial armies should be able to take a single 5 man tac squad of very powerful, very expensive, highly customisable Marines OR a single HQ unit. They should not be attending every punch up outside a Tesco. The galaxy is enormous and Space Marine are few even when you consider successor chapters. A vast majority of Imperial Guardsmen will never see one and for most of the Imperium they are a myth. Literal angels sent by the Emperor and I think they work better as semi-mythical enigmas than as the Imperium's go-to mooks for when they need someones knee caps broken.

Apple fox wrote:

Dai wrote:
I think the answer if you want general opinion is no. Many people clearly find them cool. And they are. I do wish they werent quite so front and centre tho

Presentation goes a long way I think, when I started it didn’t feel like space marines where Super Awesome.
It was more, The Universe of 40k is super Scary, and space marines are Awesome within it.

Certainly some truth to that. I dont think it was as bad when it was pretty much um, ba, da and sw. They were all different enough to be interesting but now they are not only everywhere, some of the chapters are very samey really and are stepping on other factions identities.


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 Sim-Life wrote:
Space Marine are boring in the same way that Marvel movies are boring. They're formulaic, over-saturated and every time they appear it more or less follows the same pattern.
Since it's a new year I'll state my annual post of my opinion on them:
Space Marine shouldn't exist as an army on the table. Imperial armies should be able to take a single 5 man tac squad of very powerful, very expensive, highly customisable Marines OR a single HQ unit. They should not be attending every punch up outside a Tesco. The galaxy is enormous and Space Marine are few even when you consider successor chapters. A vast majority of Imperial Guardsmen will never see one and for most of the Imperium they are a myth. Literal angels sent by the Emperor and I think they work better as semi-mythical enigmas than as the Imperium's go-to mooks for when they need someones knee caps broken.

Some truth to that too, space marines in mass pitched battle always seem a bit silly according to the fluff combat mo.

 Dysartes wrote:
Space Marines are not as boring as the complaints about Space Marines.

But are still less boring then complaints about the complaints about Space Marines.

 catbarf wrote:
Sudden warp shenanigans doesn't really make all the lead-up to it less bolter porn-y, though.

I also found Astartes kind of boring until it got to those good bits at the end. Superpowered protagonists effortlessly killing enemies that don't even manage to put a dent in them is cool for about thirty seconds, and then it starts to feel like 'look how cool my OC is' fanfiction. The end sequence and fantastic animation quality made up for it, but those first few episodes are pretty much the epitome of bolter porn.

That’s kinda how you tell a story through the visual medium. You sit up the norm (marines steam rolling guys, establishing their relative abilities) and then break it (showing them struggling with psykers, having them die to the chaos-ball-thing).

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but “This aesthetically awesome fan made short film is garbage because it it doesn’t have writing on par with Momento,” is a pretty garbage opinion to have.