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Tsagualsa wrote:


There's also a split shot where we can see the 'Venomcrawler type unit' chowing down on some dead marines:

Maybe they are the reimagined Malanthropes?

We could do with a series of snapshots of each gribbly, it was hard to spot or make out some of them.

Dudeface wrote:
We could do with a series of snapshots of each gribbly, it was hard to spot or make out some of them.

I'm looking for it, but even at single-image in HD the trailer is just too smudged to make out much. The new hormagaunts seem to be blind though, with a head like the carnifex, and the Lictors look... dumb, with much fleshier tentacles that look like they were combining the feeder tendrils and fleshhooks, similar to the obscure FW Dimachaeron.

The boy is hyped for new nids.

Having spent most of the current edition nomming my Space Wolves and my friends Dark Angels with Big Gribbles he now has his sights set on the new Termies and possible Hormies for swarming goodness.

Hoping that new rules do horde nids justice.

Have a possible Hormagaunt:



It's from when it attacks the dread - you can clearly see it has a bone plate instead of eyes, and a well-armed lower jaw with more plating, from the way they move in the trailer it kinda looks like they have higher 'Sharkfin' backs and are 'ramming' the enemy at full speed, literally overrunning them.

I think the new Termagants look great - and am kind of hyped for this release in general.

Hopefully like Indomitus the Marines will sell like hotcakes and I can get a cheap Tyranid half.

Tyel wrote:
I think the new Termagants look great - and am kind of hyped for this release in general.

Hopefully like Indomitus the Marines will sell like hotcakes and I can get a cheap Tyranid half.

Whilst it does do splits, the Loot Group does facilitate straight Side For Side swaps. So if you’re picking up the assumed near guaranteed Big Box Set, you won’t hurt for swapsies.

The new Lictor seems much smaller than before, afaik they were always Warrior-sized, but less bulky, now they seem to be about eye-to-eye with a Primaris. I mistook the one at 2:31-2:38 for a Gaunt at first...

Tsagualsa wrote:
Have a possible Hormagaunt:



It's from when it attacks the dread - you can clearly see it has a bone plate instead of eyes, and a well-armed lower jaw with more plating, from the way they move in the trailer it kinda looks like they have higher 'Sharkfin' backs and are 'ramming' the enemy at full speed, literally overrunning them.

If that's a hormagaunt I can't see them sharing a kit.

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Have a possible Hormagaunt:



It's from when it attacks the dread - you can clearly see it has a bone plate instead of eyes, and a well-armed lower jaw with more plating, from the way they move in the trailer it kinda looks like they have higher 'Sharkfin' backs and are 'ramming' the enemy at full speed, literally overrunning them.

If that's a hormagaunt I can't see them sharing a kit.

Why, it's just an alternative head and back-vane? And the claws of course.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Have a possible Hormagaunt:



It's from when it attacks the dread - you can clearly see it has a bone plate instead of eyes, and a well-armed lower jaw with more plating, from the way they move in the trailer it kinda looks like they have higher 'Sharkfin' backs and are 'ramming' the enemy at full speed, literally overrunning them.

If that's a hormagaunt I can't see them sharing a kit.

Why, it's just an alternative head and back-vane? And the claws of course.

So each gaunt body will have additional back pieces, 2 heads, talons and 3 sets of guns + rippers scattered at this point.

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Have a possible Hormagaunt:

Spoiler:

It's from when it attacks the dread - you can clearly see it has a bone plate instead of eyes, and a well-armed lower jaw with more plating, from the way they move in the trailer it kinda looks like they have higher 'Sharkfin' backs and are 'ramming' the enemy at full speed, literally overrunning them.

If that's a hormagaunt I can't see them sharing a kit.

Why, it's just an alternative head and back-vane? And the claws of course.

So each gaunt body will have additional back pieces, 2 heads, talons and 3 sets of guns + rippers scattered at this point.

The back piece is not extremely clear from the video, it could be that they all use the same.

Multiple heads is standard in almost every current kit, multiple weapon options as well.

Some of the gun options might be modular, we also don't know if there will be enough guns of all types for the whole squad or if some are special weapons in this iteration.

It seems like a lot of stuff, but then Tyranids don't have much in terms of individual kit, accessories, knives, grenades and so on. It remains to be seen if biomorphs on the models are still a thing or if they mostly got dumped in favor of more unit types.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Why, it's just an alternative head and back-vane? And the claws of course.

And you know, weapons, pose, plates, and everything else?

Intercessors and Assault Intercessors have identical armor and sergeant options, but poses and weapons alone split them into two boxes...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

What I really like here is that weapons now finally dumped another trash 'one-size-fits-none' vestige of 80s rules writing and weapons now can have multiple traits. It never made any sense to me that assault weapons can be fired on the charge but much smaller and handier pistols can't. Also abilities right on sheet, no sign of another 'one-size-fits-none' garbage, uNiVeRsAL SR. Excellent. Having 8-10 of them on a single weapon in new HH reminded me why I despised the inane system even way back in 5th edition, and that was when they were still reigned in and kinda-sorta universal instead of 100+ applies-to-single-unit/weapon cancerous growth they became later.

Also, twin linked is back? Is that still universal re-rolls, because GW did everything to eliminate them in 9th, sometimes in really clunky and dumb ways. I really hope units with dual pistols won't have equivalent of one rerollable pistol, because it would majorly suck. And how it will work with stuff like kellercheese and his three colts? Will he have the only triple-linked pistol in the game? Or will he be the only unit to still have three pistols to remain OP special snowflake?

What is worrying is that there is no sign of points/power levels on the sheet. Hopefully it's just simplified example and they will be there in final product like in 5th edition. No nonsense page flipping 20 times just to build a single squad

Hopefully weapons on the sheet means no more of another annoying garbage, armory system. All weapons should be on a sheet, like in 5th edition too. Though I wonder how they will manage it with terrible entries like tactical squad where unit can pick bolter, bolter, or bolter, but leader has like 20 options. Maybe they will cut down on them, like condensing power weapons to a single entry? Unlikely, given how quickly recently GW folds to complains of minmaxers (*cough* oh no, no cherrypicking all of 0.01% more efficient melee on chaos termies *cough*), but let's remain optimistic.

Another worrying sign is that cancerous damage inflation doesn't seem to be gone. Lowest tyranid chaff still has S5 guns. Hopefully they will be equivalent of medium, not chaff infantry in the next edition, otherwise 10th will be dead on arrival and we will see another round of knee jerk, haphazard toughness and damage boosting. Oh well, we will see, I am just not very optimistic after the stream dudes seemed to have no clue why plasma is spammed so much and seem to think minor downside will reign spam in - and plasma is minor issue compared to truly borken gak some armies get to bring. Hopefully more info here soon, too.

Screamer Killer confirmed

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/the-best-8-moments-from-the-awesome-new-warhammer-40000-cinematic-trailer/

I think on the gun damage angle one thing we might see a change on is a shift in unit numbers. Last edition of AoS cut down on unit numbers and big blocks of units a LOT - honestly felt like overkill, but they did it.

We might see 40K doing the same. So it might be gaunts are stronger because GW is going to go for less of a "you're going to put 200 of these on the table at once" angle with them.

Which isn't a bad thing. In my view the game goes in cycles like that; periods where armies are smaller to encourage people in; thne periods of big armies as they have a glut of matured customers with big collections using them all at once etc..


It does seem strange to have a S5 weapon on what should be a low tier unit though. Even if they cut down on numbers aspects it still means that a "weak" unit is still pretty strong in stats.

We'll have to see, GW as a design philosophy do love their cinematic BIG damage and that has been a problem when armies just get stronger and stronger and all the numbers go up until it gets silly.

Termagants had S5 guns in 4th edition (fleshborer plus toxin sacs), so I really fail to see why S5 fleshborers has everyone's panties in a twist.

 Tyran wrote:
Termagants had S5 guns in 4th edition (fleshborer plus toxin sacs), so I really fail to see why S5 fleshborers has everyone's panties in a twist.

Because they paid for it. Now its the default cheap option with a better profile (and best overall for the unit).

Some interesting things to note..
The New Termagant heads with open mouths are fine, great in fact. The closed mouth head the teeth seem to have barely enough surface area detail to catch paint.

New Screamer-Kill inspired Carnifex? Cool, very cool. The old plastic Carnifex was apparently one of the 1st purely CAD designed GW releases?
It's tiny now compared to monstrous AoS stuff.

That Terminator in the trailer got ripped in half by the flying Tyrant! [Yikes! ]

Changing the statline after only two 'new' editions... hmm That doesn't bode well for 40k future permanence when you see a game desperately trying to 'reorganize' itself over and over. [Heavy Gear -> Blitz -> WarMachine 2.0 -> Future Scifi-Better edition plus, plus]

Haven't bought a GW paper-weight since 6-7th because of it, but that's another story. Now we get piles of cards! No more finicky hardbacks, just cards! With artwork? And ATK and DEF values?

Voss wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Termagants had S5 guns in 4th edition (fleshborer plus toxin sacs), so I really fail to see why S5 fleshborers has everyone's panties in a twist.

Because they paid for it. Now its the default cheap option with a better profile (and best overall for the unit).

Considering they are 7pts per model, I would say they are still paying for it.

For those who remember updated Necrons releases - how soon can we expect new units other than starter set ones shown? I may be wrong but there were more new Necrons than ones from the starter set, right? I am still hoping for new Genestealers and some LoW.

We can't really know without points and other rules but getting upset about fleshborers was silly 9~ months ago. As it stands, everything else being equal, losing the point of AP makes them 66% as effective into 3+ armour. That's a dramatic cut to something that was quite rubbish already.

If many weapons that seemingly gained AP for no reason went back to normal I think it would be quite noticeable. (Although I think some units, mainly fragile assault infantry, needed the buff if they were to bounce off too many things.)

I also think they could combine Termagants and Hormagaunts together. A variety of heads is surely a given. But 10 fleshborers, 10 spinefists, 10 devourers, 10 claws? Seems like a lot on a modern sprue. But who knows.

Whilst there is too much AP in 40k as it stands, I liked the fact that Fleshborders were AP-1. It meant that Termagant shooting had a purpose.

I hope we get a necron sized released for the Nids, altho i believe it will be less impressive.

So far in the video we have :
Old:
-Gaunts
-Gants
-Lictor
-Screamer-Killer (which maybe means a new carnifex kit as well)
-Biovore

New :
-Norn/ Doom
-A new unidentified quadripedal with tentacles in the mouth (3::30)

Siegfriedfr wrote:
I hope we get a necron sized released for the Nids, altho i believe it will be less impressive.

So far in the video we have :
Old:
-Gaunts
-Gants
-Lictor
-Screamer-Killer (which maybe means a new carnifex kit as well)
-Biovore

New :
-Norn/ Doom
-A new unidentified quadripedal with tentacles in the mouth (3::30)

There is also a flying one which may be a new Shrike?

not impressed by the new terma, but then, terma are by far my least favorite models of the range

 Shadow Walker wrote:
For those who remember updated Necrons releases - how soon can we expect new units other than starter set ones shown? I may be wrong but there were more new Necrons than ones from the starter set, right? I am still hoping for new Genestealers and some LoW.

They just had a Codex update last year to the month with a fart in the wind, and their claim to fame was a flyer that dropped ripperswarms...

I was honestly surprised, because once upon a time, a Codex release was kinda a big deal. Now? five minutes later, it's forgotten.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/07/the-new-tyranid-codex-is-coming-so-get-your-first-look-at-its-awesome-cover-art/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/31/three-more-reasons-to-be-terrified-of-the-parasite-of-mortrex/

I forgot to add.
With the new Termagants, you no longer have to bend there tails or add detail to the carapace with a dremel. GW appeared the have started nicks and cuts into the carapace for you.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
I hope we get a necron sized released for the Nids, altho i believe it will be less impressive.

So far in the video we have :
Old:
-Gaunts
-Gants
-Lictor
-Screamer-Killer (which maybe means a new carnifex kit as well)
-Biovore

New :
-Norn/ Doom
-A new unidentified quadripedal with tentacles in the mouth (3::30)

There is also a flying one which may be a new Shrike?

If you're referring to the one that rips a Terminator in two, it looks like a Tyrant, but the size is a bit off, so maybe.

Siegfriedfr wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
I hope we get a necron sized released for the Nids, altho i believe it will be less impressive.

So far in the video we have :
Old:
-Gaunts
-Gants
-Lictor
-Screamer-Killer (which maybe means a new carnifex kit as well)
-Biovore

New :
-Norn/ Doom
-A new unidentified quadripedal with tentacles in the mouth (3::30)

There is also a flying one which may be a new Shrike?

If you're referring to the one that rips a Terminator in two, it looks like a Tyrant, but the size is a bit off, so maybe.

Yeah, that one, and indeed its size is too small for a Tyrant so it could be either Shrike/Shrike Prime or some new unit?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
For those who remember updated Necrons releases - how soon can we expect new units other than starter set ones shown? I may be wrong but there were more new Necrons than ones from the starter set, right? I am still hoping for new Genestealers and some LoW.

As i recall, there was quite a wait for the codexes. Indomitus came out June time and i think the Necron Codex didn't drop until September/October time.