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I am more offended that you off handedly threw Vashtorr into this discussion as if the complaining about The Lion is on the same footing as Vashtorr.

Vashtorr is just all around trash, bad at buffing, bad at surviving and merely decent in CC.

The Lion is a bit too squishy but other wise he is pretty good at everything else.

I was saying that from the beginning, poor Vashtorr. Except I took him vs a friend last week and he single handedly won the game for me, no idea how. I think my buddy just felt sorry for him and didn’t try to wipe him out immediately.
At least he has -1 damage unlike the Lion ?

Ollanius Pius (an unbuffed Guardsman) stood up to Horus, and Horus was the Warmaster of Chaos, better than Angron and therefore the Lion and Big Bobby G.

Ergo, Guardsmen need buffs.

Guardsmen sometimes lose to Grots.

Grots should sometimes beat Angry Ron.