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I own the eldar codices for 6th, 7th and 8th edition, despite me not owning a single miniature or ever planning to own one.

My former best friend played eldar. Go figure.

leopard wrote:
this is a point I did raise with the TO, it was a small club level event and I was told this was "being petty"

I did note with wry amusement however that after this that was added to the club rules, "bring the book or you cannot use the model", ref sheets, tablets etc allowed, but the book would be with you (or on the club shelf), you bring anything exotic its up to you to have the rules

That's a weird thing to describe as "being petty" - glad to hear they came around to your way of thinking, though.

Bakara_ wrote:
When I first started playing warhammer40k twi of my three "friends" who played were the most toxic, cheating, whining, power gamers I have ever witnessed in anything to this day.
They couldn't even play eachother cause they were both so toxic. I played them both about 3 games and them refused to play them ever again.

I had a similar situation. When I started with 3rd my 2 friends and I were terribly confused on how the rules worked. We sort of played 9th rules where every weapon could target something on its own. We even said "this guy is shooting at that guy, that guy at this guy" and so on. Our games took ages and we avoided close combat like the plague.
Finally one summer a new store opened less than half a mile from my house... A little place called Dakka Dakka. I learned how to play properly and couldn't wait to explain the rules to my friends.
One didn't even let me finish telling the tale of Dakka. Once he realized I knew how to actually play the rules he stopped playing and never touched a GW model again. The other Linda stopped for a while, now he's back in the game but he's one of several of my old Dakka buddies that "make fun lists" of Skarbrand, LoC, Belakor, Knights and dragons. Just like their magic decks of Eldrazi and "Show and Tell".
I don't think any of my friends know how to have fun without taking multiples of the most broken units.
Probably why I haven't played much since 7th and rarely talk to any of them anymore.

Yep, several. one guy just cheated at every game he played including 40K and it was pretty obvious, he was never welcome at our game store. but he did earn himself a fun "nickname".

A friend of mine has this annoying habit of breaking out "old edition rules". So DG will suddenly get their FNPs back because... don't they have that? Sisters rules are all over the place. Never quite sure if its cheating or confusion but suspect the former because it only ever seems to come up when he's losing.

My first ever tournament game (1997 or so) saw me tabled by the guy running the event and who, surprise surprise, went on to win the whole thing. Later discovered he had been playing with about 20% more points than everyone else and had some... interesting interpretations of the rules.

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:
this is a point I did raise with the TO, it was a small club level event and I was told this was "being petty"

I did note with wry amusement however that after this that was added to the club rules, "bring the book or you cannot use the model", ref sheets, tablets etc allowed, but the book would be with you (or on the club shelf), you bring anything exotic its up to you to have the rules

That's a weird thing to describe as "being petty" - glad to hear they came around to your way of thinking, though.

I suspect he was trying to avoid having to DQ someone and avoid the confrontation

leopard wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:
this is a point I did raise with the TO, it was a small club level event and I was told this was "being petty"

I did note with wry amusement however that after this that was added to the club rules, "bring the book or you cannot use the model", ref sheets, tablets etc allowed, but the book would be with you (or on the club shelf), you bring anything exotic its up to you to have the rules

That's a weird thing to describe as "being petty" - glad to hear they came around to your way of thinking, though.

I suspect he was trying to avoid having to DQ someone and avoid the confrontation

If you don't have the backbone to DQ someone, you really shouldn't be running tournaments.

*grits teeth to avoid making further comment*

I have a friend who occasionally does the "measure from the front, then put the rear of the base where the mark was" thing. Weirdly he only seems to do it when we play KT and so far it hasn't had any impact on our games that we've noticed.

I don't call him on it because I haven't had the need to do so so far. If he does it and that extra inch or so gets him an advantage, I'll call him on it.

Tau player, notorious for questionable play and game etiquette. He's no longer around as far as I know. I played against him once and that was enough for me. Nearly every dice roll was out of sight and picked up before I could see. I'm sure it comes as no surprise that every critical, game defining die roll was a success for him.

Astra Militarum player, younger kid, not well received because of some behavioral issues. He asked around quite incessantly for a 1,000 point game. I begrudgingly agreed - taking one for the team so he would stop bothering everyone. He made his army roster on the spot after seeing what I pulled and staged for the battle - whatever, I didn't care. But... when I saw his army and how large it was, I knew something was not right. I had the resident AM expert take a quick look... The kids army was in excess of 2,500 points before wargear was even added in.

And of course I've played against the ubiquitous 'the tape measure moves with the model'.

Happy to say that most of the cheating I saw was in my formative Warhammer years. My gaming group is just full of idiots currently and half of us are incapable of reading so when mistakes happen it's because we are genuinely just that stupid. Some more than others but we'll all read the rules and then three months later go "Oh, wow we all got that completely wrong".

I think the last time someone really cheated was back when I still went to my local GW a fair whack ago. A kid (maybe 12-13) was playing Ironjawz in preparation for a tournament that evening and I'd offered to give him a game to let him test his army. We got maybe a turn in before he used a spell that seemed far too good and when I asked if I could check his rules he hid the book, then gave the book to his friend who agreed with him, then hid the book again when one of the staff members walked past. The staff member kindly let the kid know that sort of behavior wouldn't fly at the tournament, even if it was a friendly local one, and the kid instead asked the staffer to confirm the rules were right. Of course, they weren't so the staffer said if the kid pulled that kind of thing at the tournament he'd be DQ'd and sent home.
The kid went on to lose every game because he didn't actually know his army rules, only the cheating versions he used with his friends, then had a hissy fit where he threw his dice at the wall. Suffice to say his dad was not happy when he got called to come to pick his son up.

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:
this is a point I did raise with the TO, it was a small club level event and I was told this was "being petty"

I did note with wry amusement however that after this that was added to the club rules, "bring the book or you cannot use the model", ref sheets, tablets etc allowed, but the book would be with you (or on the club shelf), you bring anything exotic its up to you to have the rules

That's a weird thing to describe as "being petty" - glad to hear they came around to your way of thinking, though.

I suspect he was trying to avoid having to DQ someone and avoid the confrontation

If you don't have the backbone to DQ someone, you really shouldn't be running tournaments.

*grits teeth to avoid making further comment*

I find myself in agreement

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Having played 3rd Ed? Yes of course I have.

Nothing better than reductive behavior. I saw more cheating in 2nd than I saw in 3rd, but that was probably due to being a slack ruleset.



As far as active cheating in games I was involved in? In Ft. Wayne we had a player that had some... creative math in his lists. A little guidance from a few regulars helped that one.

The other was in Lafayette. It was my first tournament, a single elimination tournament, and I drew a Blood Angels player. He saved a wound from a Demolisher shell with his Apothecary's special rule, which I didn't catch until after the fact. What I caught DURING the fact was him trying to claim he was able to pursue and wipe out my Crimson Fists with his Blood Angels. THIS was when I pointed out that we BOTH had "And They Shall Know No Fear", which stopped the attempt but with some rather passive aggressive behavior from there on out. I went out of my way to never play the guy again.

Way back in 4th edition when I was still kinda new to 40k and didn't really have the best grasp of the rules (still don't cuz I'm a dunce), I didn't really game much because I didn't know any LGS nearby and didn't have friends who played 40k, accept for my buddy James who played Tau and he had a pretty sweet collection of stealth and battle suits which were new at the time I think.

Anyway it wasn't cheating, just me being a jerk because I was being a rules lawyer. I don't remember specifically what he got wrong but it had something to do with him wanting to use city fighting rules, and stacking cover bonuses and probably a tau special rule or something and I read the books and our game ground to a snails pace because I kept clashing with his interpretation of the rules. I called a mutual friend up to keep asking his advice because he was the dude who knew 40k and its rules way better and he agreed with me almost every time I'd whine. In the end I regret it because we didn't get half way through our game and had to eat dinner and we never finished.

A year and a half ago I had some DG painted up and my older brother told me his friend Josh had some SM he'd be down to game with. Anyway I was getting back into 40k and hadn't really read up on all the rules that well so when we played I totally didn't take advantage of all my rules. He asked if I could not take my PBC and I agreed, then he proceed to bust out a veteran squad and some intercessors and was hurting me pretty bad at a range lol so that sucked I wouldn't call it cheating though.

He also asked if I wanted to play with CP or not since we were just doing a 500 pt game and I said he could if he wanted to, then proceeded to spend CP after CP on rerolls and I probably used 1 like an idiot. Looking back we just didn't understand the CP system.

Closest thing I've had to someone actually cheating against me was in tournaments, a couple of different times where we were using chess clocks I thought my opponents got kinda "clever" with whose time we were on and I ran out of time. Couldn't really prove anything but I don't think I was playing slow enough to run out of time. Maybe I was, though; like I said nothing could be proven. That's the one problem with using chess clocks in 40k; it does open up yet another avenue for someone dishonest to potentially game the system and give themselves an advantage if the other player isn't paying attention. Overall though I've actually grown to like using them, as it's helped me learn to play faster and manage game time better.

I've intentionally cheated against one guy that used to play in the store, He was the worst slow play bad loser mis-measure dice hiding rule changing player that ever picked up a 40k rulebook so whenever he asked for a game or took part in a tournament we'd add like 500 extra points to our list or increase the save of a model or two just to make it even

We have plenty of people (myself included) at our gaming club who get the rules wrong, sometimes in their favour, sometimes not. It's usually found out after the game.
But we also have the odd couple of players who I'd say don't outright cheat, but do all the little things that leave you questioning them, quick rolling and gathering up the dice, knocking models then putting them back in different positions, quoting rules that aren't checked. If called on any of it they claim it's accidental, but it's always the same people and more annoyingly you can't really conclusively say they cheated.

Re: old editions, my most memorable was certainly when someone tried to use 2nd edition necron rules in 3rd edition in my first tournament. I honestly don't remember how it was resolved, but I do remember being completely confused until I figured out what was going on, and him being adamant about being correct. I still don't have any idea what the guy was thinking.

the beauty of all this is that all these individuals who are cheating on purpose (not counting actually not knowing the rules) likely think they are very clever and that no one will have ever thought of this before

Lying about the victory points, claiming it was a draw. He was my best friend at the time, no remorse, cost me a top 3 place.


Only clicked afterwards. Never again. Shame on me for trusting the jerk.

I remember seeing someone rolling their dice in a very particular way once, on the table next to me. They would hold them together as a pair and drop them in a certain way. Looked it up later and seems like some sort of dice rolling technique. Wasnt every roll, but did seem to do it for some important ones.

I am more than happy to admit when I made a rules mistake upon reflection post game.

Hell, I even come back the following week to admit my mistakes. The game is skewed enough as it is. I prefer to win or lose honestly.

I prefer to give people benefit of doubt over rule stuff as there is normally loads of rules, often ambiguously written and I forget stuff all the time myself!

Things like loaded dice etc? Nope, never experienced as far as I know.

Blatantly lying about weapons. Moving units way too far.

i started the game 6 months, had less than 5 games. Once had a game with this person who will frequently pickup his minis doing the game the scrape paint off, admire his paint job and put it back.

Not sure if it was genuine or he secretly moved up a few inches when putting it back. feels dodgy though